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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion in Template:In the news (ITN), a protected Main Page template, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

Typhoon Koppu
Typhoon Koppu

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
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    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Remember, we use UTC dates.
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    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting. For recent deaths, please state why the person is notable enough to post - merely having a Wikipedia article is insufficient.
  • Please consider adding the blurb to Portal:Current events (the green box at the top of the date section) at the same time.
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Headers[edit]

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Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a brief (or detailed!) rationale for your choice. Comments and other objections are welcome, but this is the basic form.
  • Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so.
  • The blurb of a promoted ITN item may be modified to complement the existing items on the main page.

Please do not...[edit]

  • ... add simple "support" or "oppose" !votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  • ... complain about an event only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  • ... accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due a to personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  • ... comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  • ... oppose an item because it is not on WP:ITN/R.


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October 22[edit]


Sweden school attack[edit]

Article: Trollhättan school attack
Blurb: A masked man attacks students at Kronan School in Trollhättan, Sweden, killing two people and injuring two more students.
News source(s): [1], [2], [3]
Nominator: BabbaQ (give credit)

Nominator's comments: A unique event in Sweden, has received attention world wide. BabbaQ (talk) 15:11, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Oppose Sad, but not an extraordinary occurrence among school attacks worldwide. Brandmeistertalk 15:17, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • OpposeWeak support Per Brandmeister; a tragedy but not significant on the larger scale of things. --MASEM (t) 15:33, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Compared to American school mass killings I suppose? "the deadliest attack on a school in Swedish history." The Rambling Man (talk) 19:18, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    As details of this become clearer, the reason this story is notable is the apparent motive (what looks to be strong anti-immigrant beliefs) and the method (the fact he used the Halloween time of year to disguise himself and enter the school with a bladed weapon). It's not the numbers though that makes this ITN. --MASEM (t) 21:12, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support - This would not be an extraordinary occurrence in the United States. Let's be clear about that. The last time there was a school attack in Sweden was when Khrushchev was the leader of the Soviet Union.--WaltCip (talk) 16:06, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak OpposeSmall-event with very localized effects. Loss of life is sad, but aside from taking place in a school it's nothing different from any other daily homicide/double homicide that happen en masse across the globe. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 16:10, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Small event with very localized effect = swedish and not american.. when it happens in America is happens to the world, when it happens in Sweden it is "local". Just pointing it out.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:30, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    That's not the case. Umpqua Community College shooting got dismissed as "parochial". – Muboshgu (talk) 16:35, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Actually, it didn't; it got dismissed as not being unusual for the country in which it happened. I would have supported such a major event in Sweden. Having said that, I am opposing this as well. Black Kite (talk) 17:01, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Indeed, it was dismissed as "business as usual" in America, where nothing changes every time children and teachers get murdered thanks to the amendment. Muboshgu, you have been informed countless times that mass murders occur on US soil daily, so why are complaining about this incredibly rare and unusual event? How can you compare this to the daily slaughter of Americans through gun crime? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:12, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    For me personally, it hearkens back to the Vietnam War when Walter Cronkite would close out every broadcast by announcing the number of Americans that had died fighting in Vietnam that day. Entirely different realm from this story.--WaltCip (talk) 19:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) I don't appreciate the accusation of bias here in the least and suggest you refrain from doing so again in the future. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 16:36, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose, Small incident, even by Scandinavian standards. Abductive (reasoning) 16:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Nice save.. lol.. but not true though.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    2011 Norway attacks. Abductive (reasoning) 17:13, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Yes, which was the worst atrocity since the Second World War. This is super-rare, just because the rest of the world has become accustomed to mass slaughter of teachers and children almost daily, you need to consider the context, e.g. "the deadliest attack on a school in Swedish history.".... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:54, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose I would be a hypocrite if I supported this after opposing pretty much all of the parade of US school murders. I'm actually surprised this is getting international coverage; I suspect this is due to the sensational nature (armed with a sword?). I understand this is a very rare event in most countries, let alone Sweden, but I am wary of allowing us to post any attack on a school that results in fatalities. Black Kite (talk) 16:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support extraordinarily rare event, unlike all the US mass shootings we see daily, this will have a long term impact as the authorities change things in light of what happened, unlike in the US where mass shootings and murders of teachers and children are now accepted as commonplace. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:03, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    • Remember that it wasn't a shooting here. It was a guy with a sword (he was shot during apprehension). It's crystal balling to assume this will have an impact. --MASEM (t) 17:06, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
      • It is crystal balling to assume it will not. --BabbaQ (talk) 17:14, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
        • And the fact that it is not a shooting but stabbings are further evidence towards it being an unusual event in this part of the world.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:14, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
          • On the other hand stabbings are not so rare in Sweden at lest this year. --Jenda H. (talk) 17:15, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
        • It's crystal balling either way. Presently, we have a case of this being a spot of violence that has left 3 people (including the attacker) dead. That on the larger scope of things is negligible when many many more people die from violence in areas like the Middle East each day. That could change (see Almighty Drill's comment about potentially a larger story here), but right now it's a story that happened. --MASEM (t) 17:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Same here. Let's not overemphasize this as media have been doing lately. George Ho (talk) 17:11, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Odd point George: " "the deadliest attack on a school in Swedish history." hardly over-emphasising stuff is it? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:54, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now – I created this article, and I see what people are saying for and against. However, there is circulation on the perpetrator which I won't go into here, but if true, would have a profound effect on this case's importance '''tAD''' (talk) 17:15, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Well it sounds like you should go into it. Why be so nebulous? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:05, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Unsure why TAD is being coy about this, since it's appeared in at least one reliable source; there's an allegation (unconfirmed) that this was an attempted Breivik-style terrorist attack by a far-right extremist. I personally wouldn't consider that as having any effect either way on notability, unless he turns out to be part of a broader conspiracy. ‑ iridescent 18:15, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • When I wrote that comment, I had only seen Anonymous' doxing on Twitter. They could well have doxed an unrelated person. It is quite clear now that they had not '''tAD''' (talk) 18:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Now support: Likely political motive and first attack on a Swedish school since JFK was in the White House. '''tAD''' (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose Violent crime is not as common in Scandinavia as it is in many other places, but this is still far too low level of an event to warrant attention on ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:10, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Ironic: "the deadliest attack on a school in Swedish history." - if this was the case in the US, we'd be posting yesterday. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:13, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Indeed ironic. When a similar thing happens in America it is of "world interest" when it happens in Sweden it is "a local story of little importance". How ironic :)--BabbaQ (talk) 18:17, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    I find it ironic that TRM is pushing for a single isolated attack that as far as I can tell has no greater significance, while opposing any gun violence in the U.S. that demonstrates our inherent and ongoing gun problem, which is resulting in attempts at legislation. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:27, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Speculation on your part. You are not here to weigh this against an American gun violence issue. So, you can do better.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Just trying to make sense of a perceived inconsistency. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:38, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    I find it ironic that you make that claim. The US is completely blind to its internal problem of mass slaughter of children on a daily basis. More advanced societies find this to be abhorrent, hence why this news item is so significant. I'm sure I don't need to repeat the statement "the deadliest attack on a school in Swedish history" to make it clear how significant this is. To cover all the mass murders in America, we'd need a ticker which would update more than once per day. This is absolutely different, and important because of that difference. If the Americans here think it's just "meh" then more fool them. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    You mischaracterize the situation by saying we're "completely blind" to it. We're not. Gun control activists are at a weakened state while the National Rifle Association has demonstrated it has more power than we ever thought. This comment just shows me you don't understand the issue of gun violence in the U.S. And since it doesn't relate to this nom, I'm done on it. I already supported this nomination. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:02, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Unless VIPs were involved, I cannot recall any criminal violence being posted here with only two victims. On a side note I must ask, yet again, that people refrain from commentary that clearly violates WP:FORUM. This is and has been for some time an ongoing problem whenever these kinds of stories come up. I honestly don't care what anyone's views of American gun laws are. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR POLITICAL EDITORIALIZING. To all concerned, please stop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:05, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
No, but it is a place for some parts of the world to recognise that the murder of children in schools isn't a daily occurrence. Clearly this is a significant news story (otherwise why would it be headlining around the world?) and it's odd to try to suppress it simply because it doesn't meet some arbitrary death count, which is exceeded daily by mass murders in the US. We're talking about an attack in a first world country who value the lives of their citizens and especially their children. Your shouting is noted, but not required. If it helps you focus, I'll repeat: "the deadliest attack on a school in Swedish history." If you switch out Swedish for American, would you expect to post the new item? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:11, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind this being posted but if you switch out Michigander or North Carolinian or Georgian (not the country) for Swedish would you still have supported their worst school attack? Nine and a half million live in Sweden and about ten million in each state. Sweden is awesome though, they go decades between school attacks, I'm jealous. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:58, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, we're talking about a country here that isn't America. Perhaps that's not clear. It's not about the population, the proportions, the numbers, it's about the fact it's Sweden, and this stuff doesn't happen there ever. Unlike the US where it happens every single day. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:05, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Each and every story is unique and should be treated that way. This story shouldn't get preference because there's less violence in Sweden, likewise shootings in the U.S. shouldn't be dismissed just because there are so many of them. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:12, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
It is not political editorializing to say that school shootings at every level have become routine in the United States, because that is something that every person on both side of the political spectrum in the U.S., when pressed, will admit. There is just no comparison. America is letting their kids die on a near-monthly basis due in no small part to horrendously lax gun laws. This does not happen in any other developed country, and certainly not Scandinavia.--WaltCip (talk) 19:48, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support I held off until now on deciding one way or the other. The possible motive of right-wing anti-immigration is sufficient for me to post, as opposed to a random attack. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:38, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per WaltCip. It wouldn't definitely have been an extraordinary occurrence had this happened in the United States. Unfortunately, this happened in Sweden, a European country where many would surely not remember the last such school attack.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:33, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Strong support in proportional terms with respect to population, attack more grave and tragic than Umpqua Community College shooting. Gizmocorot (talk) 19:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    • We should never use relative numbers based on country population to determine if something is more tragic than another event. (3 ppl in a 10M country like Sweden would then be equated to 300 ppl in a place like China, which seems far too high to determine if something is tragic or not). There are other reasons to consider the nation of the event, no question, but not number of people relative to the country. --MASEM (t) 20:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
      • Indeed, since it's "the deadliest attack on a school in Swedish history", even you Masem should be moved to agree with yourself and support this. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:34, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
        • Using superlative language like "deadliest" when only 2 innocents died is really pushing importance. (And arguably the previous one in 1961 had more wounded than this one, so that still is begging on the language issue). The fact that Sweden generally does not have such incidents, and now what is being reported as the motive and methods used in the killings, are the salient points, not the fact that this questionably the deadliest one. We particularly should not be using the anti-nationalistic "school shootings happen all the time in the US, we just ignore those" thought process. Case by case treatment is required. --MASEM (t) 21:18, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
      Scale is definitely important, not necessarily 1:1 ratio, partially logarithmic.. with due weight to motive/type, past similar events.... Gizmocorot (talk) 20:29, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. What really matters is whether or not this is notable in Sweden, which it certainly is, and this is getting coverage worldwide from what I can see. The attack seems unusual additionally because it was with a sword(from what I read). 331dot (talk) 19:52, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Can't recall us ever posting an ITN incident with such a small death toll. -Kudzu1 (talk) 20:17, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    Can't recall us not posting "the deadliest attack on a school in [insert your country here] history." The Rambling Man (talk) 20:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    @Kudzu1: There is no death toll requirement; each nomination is evaluated on its own merits. We post some things with zero deaths and things with many deaths; we also do not post some events with zero deaths and with many deaths. It all depends. 331dot (talk) 20:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support deadliest school attack in Sweden. Diego Grez-Cañete (talk) 20:38, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. The section is "In the News", not "What we think ought to be in the news", and whether right or wrong this is getting significantly more coverage—and not just in Sweden—than comparable incidents elsewhere. ‑ iridescent 20:43, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    • Except that we don't just mirror the news, otherwise we just might as well shut down ITN and replace it with an RSS feed from the BBC. We are selective based on the encyclopedic quality of the news story. Coverage is not always a strong indication of encyclopedic worthiness (such as would be the case for most celebrity news). --MASEM (t) 21:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose A double homicide of non-notable persons should rarely be in the section, I think, despite the yellow press' obsession with school related attacks akin to the missing white girl syndrome. The possible political motive can't be used as a supporative argument either given that the police has simply stated they will not comment at this point but will study it, at this point it is based on the tabloids checking Facebook and Youtube likes. --Pudeo' 21:09, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose As discussed repeatedly here before, a double-homicide of non-notable individuals does not meet the importance criterion of ITN. I am not persuaded by logic that this is a "record" school attack in Sweden - there are records occurring every day that we don't post. Unconfirmed rumors of political motivations are also not persuasive. I do, however, offer condolences to the Swedish community in dealing with this loss. Us not posting this event does not diminish its tragic nature. Mamyles (talk) 21:31, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    • Very well said. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:44, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Mamyles and others. Calidum 22:18, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

October 21[edit]


[Posted] Typhoon Koppu[edit]

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Updated article: Typhoon Koppu (2015)

Blurb: Typhoon Koppu (satellite image pictured) kills at least 50 people and displaces more than 100,000 others across the Philippines.
News source(s): TWC, BBC, AlJazeera
Nominator and updater: Cyclonebiskit (give credit)
Other updaters: Meow (give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Deadliest typhoon of the year (specific to the 2015 Pacific typhoon season) with widespread and long lasting effects across Luzon. Nearly 1 million people have been directly affected by the storm, of whom more than 100,000 are displaced according to the latest Sit Rep from the NDRRMC. Also worth noting that at one point, 9 million people—approximately 9% of the entire country—were without power. I've been hesitant on nominating this since by Philippine standards it's not exceptionally bad but it's still a major natural disaster that's worth posting on ITN. Impact section could use some expansion, which I'm currently working on, but the pressing details are up-to-date and should meet ITN standards. Wasn't sure what day to place the nomination on since the storm struck on October 17 but effects are still ongoing (more fatalities occurred yesterday, fwiw). ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 22:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Support Significant death toll and large number of displaced persons. Neljack (talk) 23:45, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Significant storm and human impact, article is well-sourced from the start. --MASEM (t) 00:29, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Prhdbt [talk] 00:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak Support Well updated and although not unusual for the area, still worthy of mention to our Pacific readers. The next editor with a justified support should consider marking this ready. μηδείς (talk) 02:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Significant weather event with widespread impact. Would mark as ready if I knew how. Capitalistroadster (talk) 04:41, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Posted ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 15:01, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Seong-Jin Cho wins the XVII International Chopin Piano Competition[edit]

Articles: Seong-Jin Cho and XVII International Chopin Piano Competition
Blurb: Seong-Jin Cho is named the winner of the 17th International Chopin Piano Competition
News source(s): BBC ABC News Business Insider

Nominator's comments: Advanced apologies if I'm doing the nomination incorrectly, as this is my first time to do an ITN nomination :) The South Korean Seong-Jin Cho was named the winner of the 17th Chopin competition in Poland, and I think that this one deserves a mention as the Chopin is a prestigious competition in classical music that happens every five years only. I've created a stub with some minimal information, will try to get back to editing it further during my lunch break. --- Tito Pao (talk) 01:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Comment. Thanks for the nomination. Part of determining the consensus to post this depends on its coverage in the news; can you provide some links to news stories about this event indicating it is 'in the news'? 331dot (talk) 02:36, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
How many news items would be needed for this? Here are some of the English-language news items I've picked up so far:
There also seem to be others in Polish, [https://news.google.com/news/story?ncl=dAxGwzfmkkZPbaMD5O8Om3VfaGjXM&q=seong+jin+cho&lr=English&hl=es&sa=X&ved=0CCcQqgIwAmoVChMIw6fI2MfSyAIVjgmOCh1BCgKp Spanish and German [8] news websites, but I'm not well-versed in those languages to check the contents. There also appears to be a couple of news items in Korean, too. --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:58, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose on article quality - The links above do show the competition appears notable but the articles needs more prose and the like to be a suitable ITN entry - just a list of competition results is not sufficient. I don't know how much can be added for that, however. --MASEM (t) 03:25, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Looks like an important competition in the world of music. I believe the article is in adequate shape and decently sourced. Could it be expanded? Probably. But I am not seeing any issues that would bar linking it on the front page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:36, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
    • There are only 103 words in the prose of the article, or about 600b of text. That is nowhere sufficient, even if sourced, for a front page item. We have rejected ITNRs that lack such prose (such as the recent US tennis Open). --MASEM (t) 06:10, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose on notability. |Haven't seen this in the press, and while the nom itself mentions the XVIIIth competition, the target article is the XVIIth competition. I think that speaks volumes. μηδείς (talk) 04:05, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
I am fairly confident that XVIII is a typo. A cursory reading of the XVII article clearly indicates it is the correct one. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:14, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose both articles are way below the quality we want to see on the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:40, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Like sports, this is not really important in a world history context. So IMO the only argument to post it would be if it was prominently covered in the news - which it is not. Thue (talk) 20:43, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose on quality. While this does seem to be covered in the news, and seems a notable competition in an area not often covered here, as stated by others the article quality is just not there(mostly lacking in prose). If that changed I would be willing to revisit my opinion, and either way I thank the nominator Tito Pao for the nomination. 331dot (talk) 21:01, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support on importance, but this may be one of those cases where sources just aren't there to write an in depth article on either the competition or the performer. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 00:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality per TRM. Ping me when this meats the normal standards. μηδείς (talk) 02:25, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
siupport different topic and in RS media of note. (pending quality of course)Lihaas (talk) 03:34, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

October 20[edit]


RD: Sir John Scott[edit]

Updated article: John Scott (medical researcher)
Recent deaths nomination
Nominator: Ihcoyc (give credit)
Updater: Masterknighted (give credit)

Article updated


Note: Article is not very long, but seems reasonably well referenced but what do I know?

Nominator's comments: Decorated medical researcher. Not a great deal on the subjects of his research, but the subject was a Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire and former president of the Royal Society of New ZealandSmerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 00:28, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

  • I have not found any news coverage of Sir John's death (I do find it a bit surprising that it hasn't made the news here in New Zealand, so please say if I'm missing something). Some degree of news coverage is obviously a prerequisite for featuring on In the News. As for whether he was a very significant figure in his field, I don't think a knighthood and the presidency of the Royal Society of New Zealand establish that by themselves. I would want to see an explanation of the significance of his research before deciding whether he meets the threshold. Neljack (talk) 02:14, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose This fails on quality and RD Notability. I have seen this nowhere in the news, and the article is basically at stub level, with a one-sentence lead. If it is greatly improved, ping me and I might say otherwise. But at this point it is a no. μηδείς (talk) 02:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

[Pulled] Remove "2015 Southeast Asian haze" from ongoing?[edit]

Other than table updates, which is disputed and discussed at Talk:2015 Southeast Asian haze, I do not see any substantial prose updates within last five days about "2015 Southeast Asian haze". And I mean prose. --George Ho (talk) 08:00, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Support removal. This has relatively mellowed out, and the article hasn't had substantial updates for days. Mamyles (talk) 14:13, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support - This has gone stale, time to pull it. Jusdafax 14:36, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support I really believe this hasn't been newsworthy for some weeks, so glad to see it being suggested for removal again. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:38, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Pulled. --Jayron32 14:40, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment – Of course I have no personal knowledge of this topic, but I noticed that Deutsche Welle's English-language TV news show today (Tues.) carried a segment on the Indonesia haze that said, among other things, that it remains severe and could continue for the rest of the year. Sca (talk) 23:52, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
The issue in this case isn't whether or not news stories are still being written about the topic, except tangentially. The main issue is whether the highlighted Wikipedia article is being continuously updated with appropriate new material. Directing readers to articles on "ongoing" stories which are not being updated with quality new information on said stories is not keeping in line with the stated mission of ITN. --Jayron32 03:23, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
So it remains severe and lasts all year, is that really something we need to persist on Wikipedia's Ongoing ticker? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
R U asking me to decide? I thought it was based on consensus. Sca (talk) 23:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
No, definitely not. Decision has already been made. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:06, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

October 19[edit]


[Posted] Swiss federal election, 2015[edit]

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Updated article: Swiss federal election, 2015

Blurb: The Swiss People's Party, led by Toni Brunner, retains its plurality in the Swiss National Council.
News source(s): Time
Nominator: The Almightey Drill (give credit)

Article updated

Nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event is generally considered important enough to post on WP:ITN subject to the quality of the article and the update to it.


Note: Results not all confirmed yet.

 '''tAD''' (talk) 14:56, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Ready the article is well updated, over 5.8kb since the 15th and meets the prose requirements. The overall outcom,e is clear, even if a few races are not yet called. The English language press is probably a good 6-24 hours behind the Swiss media. I won't mark this ready yet, in case there's some odd factor that I am unaware of that someone wants to bring up. But my opinion is an admin should feel free to post it now. μηδείς (talk) 17:50, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Consider waiting as the composition of the executive could change. (unique system that Switzerland has)Lihaas (talk) 20:56, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment The update consisted of one sentence to the lead, two about the migrant crisis and a results table. It could do with more campaign issues and/or, at the bare minimum, prose to the body about the result. Fuebaey (talk) 21:00, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Given this is a new article, what is necessary is three paragraphs of prose with five sources. This isn't an old article. The winning plurality is not in doubt. μηδείς (talk) 05:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Not sure about your definition of new, but I doubt an article first created back in February 2014 fits that bill. I'm going to oppose based on the quality issues I've outlined above. Fuebaey (talk) 07:02, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support clearly covers the major issues, sufficiently long, no major quality issues. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:38, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support - I added a bit to the lede, regarding Swiss voter concerns re: immigration as a driving force in the rightward shift. Still could use expansion in the "Results" section of the article, but it's ready to post per TRM. Jusdafax 14:54, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Posted. SpencerT♦C 20:28, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • This should say gains a record plurality given that is what our article says. That's a bit different from simply winning reelection. μηδείς (talk) 01:01, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
    • That claim isn't currently cited in the article; I can update if this can be confirmed. SpencerT♦C 06:48, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
    • Per the report at WP:ERRORS (which seems to duplicate this comment), the party won 11 more seats than the previous election. Let's just keep some perspective and stick to reporting the absolute facts, and let our readers determine if such a feat is impressive. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:30, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support - notable event. major issue.BabbaQ (talk) 15:12, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

[Posted] Canadian federal election, 2015[edit]

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Article: Canadian federal election, 2015

Blurb: In the Canadian federal election, the Liberal Party wins an absolute majority in the House of Commons as Justin Trudeau (pictured) is elected Prime Minister of Canada.
Alternative blurb: The Liberal Party, led by Justin Trudeau (pictured), wins the most seats in the Canadian federal election.
Alternative blurb II: The Liberal Party, led by Justin Trudeau (pictured), wins an absolute majority in the Canadian federal election.
Nominator: Aerospeed (give credit)

Nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event is generally considered important enough to post on WP:ITN subject to the quality of the article and the update to it.

Nominator's comments: Preemptive nomination for an election of a G7 country. Pretty big deal regardless of whoever wins. No sources given yet since the results haven't come in yet. (They will come in around (9:30pm EST) Aerospeed (Talk) 00:49, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

  • The blurb should follow our usual form for parliamentary elections - "X, led by Y, wins the most seats in the Canadian federal election" - rather than saying so-and-so is elected PM. The proposed blurb would be particular misleading if - as seems very likely - no party wins an overall majority. Neljack (talk) 01:24, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Seems like a good idea. An alt blurb has been added. Thanks! Aerospeed (Talk) 02:06, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Polls close in, what, 19 hours? We might not know the result for about 24 hours. Why nominate so early? – Muboshgu (talk) 02:13, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Support Notable election. The early nomination has the advantage that when the result is known the blurb can be added quickly to the main page. It's good to have something quick on the main page so it looks that WP is verry up-to-date (and there were so less new items the last week.) Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 09:23, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Support – Interesting candidates reinforce this obvious ITN choice. Sca (talk) 14:15, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • As this is ITNR support on the merits is not necessary; being on the ITNR list presumes such support. Only a blurb needs discussion and article quality assessed once the election results are announced. 331dot (talk) 14:17, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Is support on the merits prohibited? Sca (talk) 15:09, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Posting support on the merits for an ITNR item contributes nothing to the discussion, since that has already been decided. One can certainly post whatever they wish if they want to put the effort into doing something that isn't needed. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation has called the election as a Liberal majority government. According to their live tracker, the Liberals have the lead in 184 ridings, with 110 seats confirmed (170 seats needed for a majority). —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:52, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support alt blurb Original blurb is misleading, as Canadians don't elect a Prime Minister, per se. That job usually just falls to the leader of the party with the most seats in the House. Canuck89 (talk to me) 04:16, October 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Added second alt blurb, which I support now that more than 170 ridings have been claimed by the Liberals. -Kudzu1 (talk) 04:29, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support alt blurb for accuracy in a parliamentary democracy. Capitalistroadster (talk) 05:07, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Alt blurb is more compact. -- Callinus (talk) 05:24, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, but what's the advantage of the phrase "absolute majority' over the word "majority"?79.76.126.240 (talk) 06:45, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support alt 2, but echo the questioning of the need for the word "absolute". Citobun (talk) 07:44, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support with a blurb like this - The Liberal Party, led by Justin Trudeau (pictured), wins a majority in the Canadian federal election by winning 184 of 338 seats in Parliament. -- Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 08:33, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • The "absolute" in "absolute majority" is redundant. --LukeSurl t c 12:27, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support - and suggest we post. Jusdafax 12:37, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment – Yes. Agree that "absolute" is redundant, though. Time to post this – tops all the main Eng.-lang. news sites. Sca (talk) 13:36, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Posted -- KTC (talk) 13:53, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

October 18[edit]


RD: Gamal El-Ghitani[edit]

Article: Gamal El-Ghitani
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): International Business Times Associated Press BBC News
Nominator: Kudzu1 (give credit)


Note: Article is in need of some additional referencing and updating.

Nominator's comments: Award-winning Egyptian author and journalist with international recognition and acclaim. Kudzu1 (talk) 04:40, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Oppose on article quality. Unreferenced list of his books is entirely in transliterated Arabic. Only two different references for the whole article. May well meet ITN:RD#2. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 17:16, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Smerdis on quality. The article hasn't even been updted for tense, given his passing. It has an entirety of two (2) sources, and as stated, the bibliography is solely in transcibed arabic. μηδείς (talk) 01:09, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

[Posted] Guinean presidential election, 2015[edit]

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Updated article: Guinean presidential election, 2015

Blurb: Alpha Condé is reelected President of Guinea.
News source(s): Reuters, BBC News
Nominator: Alifazal (give credit)

Article updated

Nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event is generally considered important enough to post on WP:ITN subject to the quality of the article and the update to it.


Note: Observers have said the vote was "valid despite logistical problems."

 Ali Fazal (talk) 19:40, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Weak support not the greatest article I've ever seen but at least it's supported by decent referencing and clearly meets the criteria for ITN. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:52, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support There were some uncited quotes in the article that I found references for; looks good to go. SpencerT♦C 22:57, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support: Reasonable-looking article. Should be posted. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:42, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
  • oppose No, this is not a particularly important election result. We need to cut down on these auto-postings and post stuff that matters. Any putative significance of this election is the fact that the first freely elected president was reelected, in what is described as a fair election. Unless the blurb and the article states why this election is particularly significant as elections go we shouldnt even consider it.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 23:44, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
This election is included in WP:ITN/R, as as such has already satisfied the "importance" criterion to post. If you would like to change that, feel free to post on ITN/R's talk page. Mamyles (talk) 00:25, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
I realize that ITN has absurd criteria for inclusion, and no I dont care to try and change those except by pointing out when they lead to absurd editorial decisions such as for example automaticall posting the reelection of a president of tiny country and the automatic exclusion of a significant act of politically motivated violence in a major nation that has not experienced this kind of event for decades.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 00:29, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
I generally agree with Maunus, the Lukashenko re-election is about as much news as the fact that Generalisimo Francisco Franco is still dead. But the problem is we'll end up with a stale or empty queue otherwise. If there were a lot of good nominations, we could argue whether A should push Z off the front page. At this point we're not looking at the prospect of still-fresh news being eliminated by a less important matter. μηδείς (talk) 01:31, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Being ITNR, even if the article is in good shape, is not a guarantee of posting if consensus thinks that on that specific recurring event, it really isn't as notable as other occurrences. This allows for easy-to-write-and-understand ITNR allowances that can be debated for the exceptional cases (as this one might be). --MASEM (t) 01:46, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Nothing else has been posted at ITN in the past five days; this is hardly crowding out "stuff that matters", but if you feel that other potential items are being overlooked, please nominate them here at WP:ITN/C. Best, SpencerT♦C 01:26, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Article quality looks good. Marking as ready. Mamyles (talk) 00:25, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Good article shape for an election. --MASEM (t) 00:39, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Posted The Rambling Man (talk) 09:13, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

October 17[edit]


[Closed] RD: Howard Kendall[edit]

No consensus to post. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

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Article: Howard Kendall
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Eurosport BBC UEFA
Nominator: George Ho (give credit)


Note: More sources are needed.

Nominator's comments: Notable football player and manager throughout his career. George Ho (talk) 07:00, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The sourcing on this article seems very thin, absent in some sections - the statistics section relies on a sub-only service as a source, or no source at all. In addition - I am not seeing how he meets the bar, for notability or influence - the lead of the article does not do the job of outlining who he was, or what his influence was, aside from a few bullet points in his career, which started young. Challenger l (talk) 13:36, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose on sourcing / article quality. In particular, the honours section is unreferenced. A two-time manager of the year and national hall of fame member would be arguable for RD. The "manager of the year" award for English football is a bit confusing - the article on this site about manager of the year awards only go back to 1992/93 (LMA Manager of the Year) or 1993/94 (Premier League Manager of the Season). This may have something to do with the restructure in English football around that time (the Premier League clubs broke away from the Football League in 1992). Biographies of various managers (Kendall, Bob Paisley, Bill Shankly) claim that they won "manager of the year" awards before then, but there doesn't seem to be any supporting evidence (either in their articles or in other wiki pages). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 14:49, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support on notability provided that the quality issues are resolved. Just about a support on notability - he was a notable player, famously youthful FA Cup finalist and a significant part of a championship-winning team, but never played at the highest level for England; his fame as a manager rests principally on his first spell at Everton where he a built a team which is one of the best seen in the English game in my living memory. On the point raised above, I think the manager of the year award at the time pretty much went to the league champions' manager regardless, so its probably not a key piece of supporting evidence. But he was certainly regarded as an important figure in the English game, so I'll support the nomination.--Bcp67 (talk) 19:36, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose a sad loss to the British game, and a truly great manager (probably Everton's finest ever) but not quite making it to RD level. We'd struggle to claim he was at the top of his field when we have contemporaries such as Ferguson and Wenger, and although being Everton's top manager, a couple of league titles, one European trophy and some other bits and pieces don't quite cut it. Article also needs a lot of referencing work, should consensus be in favour of his notability. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:52, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose mainly based on sourcing. Clearly known to Everton fans and anybody who watched English football in the 1980s, and gone too soon, but he wasn't as groundbreaking and internationally known as Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho et al. '''tAD''' (talk) 02:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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[Closed] Henriette Reker stabbing[edit]

SNOW close good faith nomination, but this single act of political violence won't be posted. It might be a reason to keep the migrant situation at Ongoing, but not as a separate blurb. 331dot (talk) 02:58, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

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Article: Henriette Reker
Blurb: Henriette Reker, a candidate in Cologne's mayoral race, is stabbed in the neck by a man claiming to be angry over the Germany's refugee policies.
News source(s): (BBC), (DW), (The Independent), (Euronews)
Nominator: Jenda H. (give credit)

 An independent candidate for mayor of the German city of Cologne, who is supported by Chancellor Angela Merkel’s CDU party, has been stabbed by a man while campaigning in the city. Henriette Reker and an aide were seriously injured. Mrs. Reker is in a critical condition. Three other people were injured when they intervened to help. Police say they arrested a 44-year-old man, who said he was motivated by Reker’s support for refugees. Reker is also backed by the FDP and Greens, and has been involved in supporting and helping house refugees in the city. The election takes place on Sunday. (Euronews) Jenda H. (talk) 18:31, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - There is already "European migrant crisis". And I doubt that, even with possibly mayoral changes, this would impact Germany's policies on migrants. George Ho (talk) 18:59, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Horribly sad, but not ITN. -Kudzu1 (talk) 01:06, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose Sadly minor acts of political violence occur daily all over the world. We can't put them all on ITN. IMHO this sort of thing should only be posted if a very high level official is the target. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:47, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose: As above, not ITN. And there's much more violence going on that we should cover first (if at all) before this one. --MASEM (t) 02:41, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

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October 16[edit]


[Closed] RD: Mikhail Burtsev[edit]

No consensus to post. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:18, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

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Article to update: Mikhail Burtsev
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): TASS obituary
Nominator: Ihcoyc (give credit)

Article needs updating


Note: Article currently is a pitiful and sub-minimal stub. Best sources are likely in Russian, and I can't help much there.

Nominator's comments: RD blurb says he's a six time world champion in fencing (saber). Olympic career of two golds, two silvers from 1976 to 1988. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 04:17, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose Not on RD/importance merit, but I don't think this won't have a chance of being improved for RD posting. --MASEM (t) 04:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support The article is little more than a stub, but it is adequately sourced and the subject undoubtedly meets ITNDC #2. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:18, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose until article is expanded significantly. -Kudzu1 (talk) 06:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment – Seems questionable re DC2 due to passage of time. Sca (talk) 14:21, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
How does the passage of time detract from the multiple medals he won? 331dot (talk) 15:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't, but I think it makes it less likely that today he would be "widely regarded as a very important figure in his field." (But that's just a thought, hence a comment.) Sca (talk) 16:03, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Fair enough; thanks 331dot (talk) 16:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality, and as stated by Masem it seems unlikely to be improved, but if it is, I would support as a multiple medal winner. 331dot (talk) 15:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
  • FYI I put an ITN Nom tag on the article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:09, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose As most of the medals were won in team competitions. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:38, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support once more than a stub: the notability, unlike Lugnuts, winning serious medals over a long timespan, regardless of team or otherwise, is notable. However, the article really is nothing more than a stub. We can do better, and don't forget, we're supposed to be promoting "quality" to the main page here. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:54, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality given the lead restates the body of the text, the article does not meet the three pros-paragraph minimum for new articles. If Russophile users JackofOz or Любослов Езыкин or Ihcoyc want to update it, it may be worth posting. μηδείς (talk) 01:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

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