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Deleted articles on hotel barges[edit]

Hi Zebedee I was discouraged for 5 months by the speedy deletions you performed (with Atlantic306) on my hotel barge articles. I would ask you please to reconsider these in the light of the following: 1. I have made many meaningful and in some cases extensive edits to many pages on the general subject of French and international waterways. There is much more that I could do, both on English and French pages, but doing so would be much more gratifying if I were given Autopatrolled status. That's what I would like to work towards. 2. Like most contributors (hopefully!) I am active within the subject sector, and that means that in some cases I get paid for editorial content. What I have been paid for includes being the author/editor of the most authoritative hardback book on the subject of French waterways, being an acknowledged waterways consultant and being president of Inland Waterways International. I am also a provider of maps and expertise to the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe. 3. This professional activity, partly paid for, part voluntary (IWI) necessarily involves being very familiar with many aspects of river and canal navigation, including tourism aspects. It is a part of my professional role to act as a conduit to disseminate accurate information and opinion, but that in itself is not a paid role. 4. I am not writing solely 'on behalf of (i.e to promote) any organisation'. Acting personally and independently I have already created, corrected or edited some 70 Wikipedia pages detailing the rivers and canals of France. It's a matter of pride and enthusiasm that such pages should (a) be created and (b) be correct. 5. I am now similarly engaged in editing and correcting pre-existing Wikipedia pages about hotel barges in France and adding to that pre-existing number so as to provide a comprehensive non-selective view of this entire sector of French waterway tourism. It's a matter of personal as well as (marginal, incidental) professional interest. The more pages, the less any one barge stands out. I edited and completed the list on the Hotel Barge page, but the intention is to add barges only when the link to the individual barge page can be entered. Each barge is distinctive and notable by virtue of its history, its fitting out and the nature of the product offered to clients. I would underline that there is worldwide interest in this form of 'slow tourism', so the pages will be read. 6. My content focuses on the factual nature and technicalities of the vessel and also includes information about the barge from a current operational and tourism perspective. Hotel barging forms as small but measurable element in the French tourism sector, from an economic point of view. Links and references included are non-exclusive or discriminatory, moderately covering key sources and aspects. 7. In many respects, as commercial products, hotel barges differ little from bricks and mortar hotels, of which there are many subject Wikipedia pages, both for the hotels individually and the corporations behind hotel groups. [1] This is an entirely legitimate subject of public interest and should not be the object of 'financial gain' scrutiny, which I would respectfully suggest does not stand up in this instance. Thank you in advance for considering. This needs to be resolved so that we can move on, in the interests of many people and organisations active in this field. David-waterways (talk) 19:57, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi David-waterways, I confess I don't recall what this is about right now - I've been involved in a lot of deletions in the past five months. I'm also going to be busy for the next couple of days, but after that I'll check up on these articles and try to suggest a way forward. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:20, 6 May 2018 (UTC). Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:32, 20 May 2018 (UTC)


Thank you for considering. I look forward to feedback. I'm also referring this to Atlantic 306, as it was he who told me I'd need action by you as Delete Admin. David-waterways (talk) 09:57, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi again @David-waterways: Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I've now had a look at this, and the only two articles I can see were Grand Cru (barge) and Finesse (barge). But I restored them to User:David-waterways/Grand Cru (barge) and User:David-waterways/Finesse (barge) in November after you asked me on my talk page at User talk:Boing! said Zebedee/Archive 29#Barge articles, and I made a few comments there which I hope should help you. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:35, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

I was wondering if you could offer a bit of oversight on my ANI[edit]

Apologies if this is not the ideal/correct medium of contacting you. The user Hijiri 88, has gotten himself involved in my ANI (viewable here) and has made a number of accusations and assertions that I feel are unhelpful, not in line with WP's principles and are generally obnoxious. While I accept being at fault for a number of edits I made and the manner in which they made; I feel bigoted assertions about my nationality, topics of previous talk page discussions, unsubstantiated assertions about my beliefs and conspiracy theories are irrelevant to the discussion and would damage the ability to have a fair judgement regarding my ANI. When you are available, would you be able to offer your opinions on this ANI as well as judge if Hijiri 88's comments are legitimate points for an ANI? Brough87 (talk) 14:31, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Boing, note that the above editor appears to have contacted you based exclusively on your nationality, as they have never interacted with you and clearly don't know anything about my prior interactions with you (which were all positive -- why would he contact you if he were trying to get me in trouble?). I have no idea how he knew you were British -- I didn't, it doesn't apparently say so on your user page, and I had to search your talk archives to verify what I suspected to be the case based on your having received the above message. (User:Zzuuzz was contacted in a similar manner, but their user page is in Category:Wikipedians in the United Kingdom, and they have indirectly interacted with Brough on several occasions.) It's entirely possible that this is not about getting me in trouble but merely about canvassing editors who he feels might !vote a particular way. Admin-shopping based on the ethnicity/nationality of the admin is pretty slimey and was one of the reasons this guy got indeffed.
Anyway, I've had just about enough of this editor's deflection, IDHT and off-topic personal attacks, so I'd rather have nothing more to do with this whole affair. I may identify as both Irish and Celtic, and know more about the history here than the average Wikipedian, but I rarely edit Wikipedia articles on it and don't really care to get too involved. Editors whose user page include the "This user is a nationalist" userbox and whose edits seem to denigrate other nationalities their self-identified nationality has historically conflicted with just really need to be treated with care. (Edit-warring over one's assertion that the Irish are a "Germanic people" is clearly unacceptable, though.)
Hijiri 88 (やや) 22:17, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Want to be unblocked[edit]

Hello, Boing! said Zebedee. I'm User:MegaCyanide666 was blocked for abusing socks long ago. I'm only commenting because I've lost access to my accounts and don't remember the password. I hope this comment won't be taken against me because I don't know of any other choice.

I've shifted my internet connection since then so you might not recognize me. Since then, I did edit Wikipedia often and I honestly did create a few accounts whose passwords I forgot. But I haven't been editing for the past many months. I'll like to get back on Wikipedia however I don't remember any password of any account. I hope after so much time I can be forgiven. if you could help me in recovering the password or letting me create a new account if I can't access it any more. Thank you. (talk) 11:41, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Also tagging Dennis Brown for transparency. (talk) 11:46, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh, that was a long time ago - nearly six years. I don't think commenting here as an IP should be held against you in the circumstances, as you sound like you're being honest about it and not engaging in any deceptive block evasion. I'm very much a believer in giving people second chances, especially after such a long time. I'm probably going to be busy for the rest of the day, but I'll give some thought to this as soon as I can. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:55, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. But I can't access my account nor remember the password, so what should I do? (talk) 11:57, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure right now - leave it with me. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:59, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. My new broadband, well comparatively new, stops working sometimes and I usually only access net once a day. So it might take a lot of time for me to respond. Please do let me know when you make a decision, and thanks again for helping. See you. (talk) 12:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
I thought of this. Can accounts be merged? If not, you can allow me to create an account and tag MC666 as my sock. Except the main one, I don't even remember any other account now. Besides my work schedule isn't regular, so the sooner I can plan the best time, the better. Hope I don't sound like I'm rushing you. (talk) 05:53, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Please be patient - I have a couple of other Wikipedia matters that need my attention first. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:15, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm guessing I was pinged because of my blocking of the sock User:ThePariahOne and my participation in the original case. I think the Standard Offer applies here, and my suggestion would be to log in to the original account and make a request that can be pasted to WP:AN or WP:ANI. (without prejudice to the fact that you are technically violating policy here: like Boing, I understand this limited engagement.) I recommend WP:AN, which is a slower, more deliberative board, but the choice is yours. If I'm giving advice, I would advice not asking to combine accounts (we can't do that), and I would advise to volunteer to restrict yourself to a single account for 12 months. Also, you need to fully address the reasons for the block, accept responsibility, and briefly explain how you will avoid future issues, as well as what you expect to edit if you are unblocked. I have no opinion on unblocking at this time, this is just advice on how to proceed and have a snowball's chance at success. Dennis Brown - 10:04, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Hi Dennis, the problem is he hasn't got his original password any more. I was going to have a word with you and see if you'd support unblocking the original account per SO, and then he can create a new account which should be linked to the old one. I was thinking you and I can decide this, being the blocking admins (the only other one has retired) rather than having to drag it through AN? After all, it's been quite a long time and it was only a bit of silly vandalism rather than any longer-term problem. What do you think? (I agree with your other conditions.) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
      • I haven't had time to fully investigate to the degree I would like, and yes, that was some time ago. There were some CIR concerns but that might have been age or immaturity. Since socking is at play, I would prefer (but not require) that a CU take a peek. I would require linking the new account to the old if we aren't using the original master account. A 1 minute block with the proper summary is a pretty effective way to put it in the log, as is putting it on the user page for at least one year. Not trying to be hard, but I do think the first year needs a higher level of accountability, then if all goes well in a year, we can brush off the restrictions. Otherwise, I would defer to your judgement, particularly since you are really the blocking admin, I was just cleaning up. Dennis Brown - 14:49, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
        • Thanks Dennis. I'm not sure CU would help much as the old accounts are stale, and I am impressed that he's come back and asked here when he could have just started a new account with little chance of detection. I agree with a probationary 12-month period, with linking of accounts and with a 1-minute block for the log. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:47, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

I would have made a request from my account had I been able top access it but I have lost the password and there's no email if I remember right. That's why I commented seeing as you are personally acquainted of the kinds of actions I did. When I asked for account mergers it was on the ground if there was any other way for you to open access to my account and people know some of the edits I made. Hope you didn't misunderstand why I asked it.

I did vandalize, edit-war sometimes and evaded blocks both for editing and abusing you in the past. I usually edited video games and related mass-medium in the past and would likely do so again. I will avoid any instances of my past bad behaviour. I won't create any accounts, so hopefully you trust me. (talk) 14:47, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, I'll lift the sock block on User:MegaCyanide666 and then re-block as password lost with a talk page comment, which should clear the record for a restart, if you'll accept these conditions:
  • Only 1 account for a minimum of 12 months.
  • You tell me the new account here, and you declare on its userpage that it's a fresh start from MegaCyanide666 - I'd be happy to add a comment confirming it.
  • For the record, I'd log a one-minute block on the new account to state the MegaCyanide666 connection.
  • You consider yourself under probation for 12 months from the start of the new account, and accept that any bad behaviour could lead to an indefinite block.
  • After 12 months, all these restrictions would expire and you'd be as free as any other editor.
Let me know if you're happy with this and I'll make it so. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:47, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
I've done it. I wanted to edit when I got the time. When I remembered my accounts, I thought of taking the risk and coming out clean. I'm not going to repeat any of my old behaviour as that will be suicidal. I've created a new account and declared of being MC666 who was blocked for edit-warring and abusing and that I later socked, but have lost access. Thank you. DraculatheDragon (talk) 14:35, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
No need to restore the talk page, as I remembered people can see it from history page. I just have one question though: Why are you asking me to edit from one account for 12 months? I don't understand the condition as it is already illegal to use more than one, so of course I can't use it. DraculatheDragon (talk) 15:02, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
OK, that's all done and you're ready to go. Wikipedia does actually allow the use of more than one account, provided they're linked and used for legitimate purposes. For example, User:Boing! on Tour is also mine and I've explained there and have linked the accounts. But when someone has had problems with multiple accounts, it's fairly standard to ask them to restrict themselves to just one for 12 months - though most editors never really find the need for more than one account. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:11, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


Do you know why this edit that I thought I had revdeled is still visible? It seems impervious to deletion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:59, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

I noticed that you'd rev-deleted one revision, but you hadn't actually removed any of the content from it - so whatever was originally there was still there in subsequent revisions. I removed the email accusation and then rev-deleted several revisions, and it looks OK to me now with the deleted revisions appearing deleted. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:17, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Daniel Ashley Holliday[edit]

better you than me.-- Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Perceived_Legal_Threat_Daniel_Ashley_Holliday-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

 :-) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 04:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Place this[edit]

I was trying to place the following on my original account: "This account has been abandoned due to loss of password. I can now be found at User:DraculatheDragon." But an edit filter has prevented me because I'm not the same user. I wanted to place it so people know I've created a new one. Can you do it if it's permissible? DraculatheDragon (talk) 04:59, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Done. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:00, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your attention to my questions and for unblocking me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TCVPYR (talkcontribs) 10:09, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Happy to help. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:17, 15 May 2018 (UTC)


Unproductive heat/light ratio developing, this discussion is now closed. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:21, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

The user that tagged also has a lot of revdels in their history. Not sure of the significance, I don't have time to research, as I'm literally out the door to go see the doctor. I do think you might want to review this before taking action above, as it looks fishy, and might be worth a CU review. Dennis Brown - 11:06, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

  • Pinging Berean Hunter and/or DoRD as well. Dennis Brown - 11:07, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
  • User:DraculatheDragon is his new account, which is the one I approved, and it's all linked up properly - the SPI looks like it was a mistake. Someone might want to check User:Nigos, but I can't see them as being related to the SPI subject. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:13, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
    • DraculatheDragon does not appear to be socking. Nigos is formerly known as Anchorvale and appears to have an undeclared alt account, Niggs09. It should be labeled as required by WP:VALIDALT.
       — Berean Hunter (talk) 12:03, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
      • Thanks all. The SPI / CSD was an odd enough event (as well as the timing) I'm sure you can understand why that raised a red flag. Good to know all is clear. I've left a note on Nigos's talk page pointing him here, and reminding him that he needs to declare any alt accounts. Dennis Brown - 15:42, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
        • I got reported for the same account that exists only because I don't have any access to any other? DraculatheDragon (talk) 07:59, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
          • It's nothing to worry about - someone just misunderstood your restart with your new account, that's all. And they've even apologized at your talk page for the mistake. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:27, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
            • Not worrying. But upset. I declared it and thought it as a risk to come back and be honest. Didn't expect this to happen. DraculatheDragon (talk) 08:36, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
              • Honestly, it's really nothing to be upset about! It was a simple mistake, which people do make. Just forget about it, and carry on with your renewed enthusiasm :-) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:38, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
              • What Boing said. The request to delete popped up on my talk page because I started the SPI, so I had to go check it, and because of the timing, I had to ask someone to look. I wasn't accusing you, but had I not asked for a check, it could have arguably been negligence on my part. This won't affect you going forward, I have no reservations with you being unblocked. Anytime anyone tries to delete any SPI, we take a closer look, this was just an ironic set of circumstances. Again, you didn't do anything, you have nothing to worry about, go enjoy editing and do good things :) Dennis Brown - 10:26, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
                • Sure, like I will believe someone can get suspicious over an SPI of an account already declared to be created because of loss of access to the original one, but still reported as a sock of it. Not to mention the again uncalled for suspicion on the guy who reported me. I don't have time for your impolite and bad-faith behaviour. You didn't even want me here despite me requesting, it was only because Boing was magnanimous to forget the past.
                • You didn't even admit your mistake. Some admins need to be polite and admitting of their mistake. I am going away as I can't be among those who won't be truthful and don't let go of the past grudges, and also because I really don't have time to edit. If any admin wants to block my editing please do. I'll be mentioning I'm retiring on my user page nonetheless. I won't be responding. DraculatheDragon (talk) 05:43, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
                  • DraculatheDragon, you are blowing this up out of all proportion and becoming disruptive, which does not look good for your return. You are on 12 months probation, remember, and it was fine for Dennis to suggest a quick check here seeing as I was the unblocking admin. Just drop it and move on now. I do not want to see any further replies. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:18, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Special:Longpages redirects[edit]

Mind restoring Longest article? Long story short, I compiled a list some time ago, i.e. User:Godsy/R to special, so I notice when this subset of redirects turn red; Longest article went though Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 October 15#Longest article → Wikipedia:Longest Wikipedia Article and was deleted. At some point it was recreated or restored. More recently, Longest Wikipedia Article went through Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 November 4#Longest Wikipedia Article and was kept. Might as well have one as the other; I am content with either both existing or having a joint rfd discussion on the matter. Best regards, — Godsy (TALKCONT) 22:25, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, curious. As there's been a keep consensus for a similar one, I reckon that overrides a speedy, so I've restored it. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:10, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Fine Sunday[edit]

I liked to read that phrase, on ANI of all places, and thank you with the music we sang today, and which happens to be on the Main page by happy coincidence. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I have to confess I don't know it - an omission I must rectify. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:19, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
That's what DYK is for ;) - Most people don't know it because most churches don't have 2 organs, but French larger ones obviously often have them. Our conductor said in his explanation that we don't have a choir organ yet, and a great musician played both parts on one. He also said that the choir organ in Saint-Sulpice is about the size of our great organ. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Talk for an Article deletion[edit]

Dear sir

As i published the article on wikipedia about Anshul Sharma Can you please tell me the reason why you deleted that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anshul.sharma1998 (talkcontribs) 12:12, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

It was for speedy deletion reason WP:A7, "No indication of importance". Wikipedia is not a social network where we can just write about ourselves, it is an encyclopedia (click that link if you're not sure what one of those is) and only carries articles about notable topics. To qualify for a Wikipedia article, you would need to satisfy the notability requirements described at WP:NPERSON. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:20, 23 May 2018 (UTC)