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Hindustanilanguage (talk) 06:25, 2 April 2013 (UTC).

You shot the wrong guy

Zeebeedee unless I'm reading bad Amal said complaining to cyber police was useless, he made no legal threats. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 10:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, OK, I guess I might have misunderstood - though mention of legal/criminal action tends to have the same chilling effect as a direct threat and is generally treated similarly. I'll post a message on his talk page and ask for clarification - and if I was wrong, I'll unblock with a suitable comment in the block log. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
I read it the same way Yogesh did, and the IP claiming to be Amal confirms that on Talk:Ezhava. I would agree with an unblock. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Me, too. Amal89 was saying that the previous poster was wrong to suggest taking it to cybercrime, which appears to be a part of India's web censorship program. What to do about the previous poster, to whom Amal89 was responding, is moot. - Sitush (talk) 10:25, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Curses, you are all right - I wasn't reading or thinking carefully and I blocked the wrong person. I've reverted the block with an apology. As for the person who did imply legal action, I should probably recuse myself from blocking people at the moment, so I've issued a warning instead. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:40, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the consideration, moreover there were no legal threats to any person, it was said that the page would be reported. I need to check wp:NLT for details though. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 10:43, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Judging by the way these various contributors have suddenly started disagreeing among themselves during the last 12 hours or so after weeks of harmony, I rather think that the SPI will come to naught. In which case, I too will have egg on my face. Stuff happens.

Yogesh, threatening to report an article can have a chilling effect. - Sitush (talk) 10:45, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

  • No problem - happy to put my hand up when I make a mistake. As for NLT, it applies generally to any threat against any part of Wikipedia, and not just threats to specified persons. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
    • You're right, he needs to withdraw it, pending that he is liable to be blocked, I checked it up. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 10:55, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

That exciting user

I have placed a question "addressed to you" on their talk page. I am hoping that your answer may direct them there. I have a BSc with honours in being a devious bastard :) Fiddle Faddle (talk) 21:44, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Hehe, nice - I've answered. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:57, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
"Ok" seems to mean something else. Depressingly their unreview was probably correct, but I have still placed a very strongly worded warning. Your mileage may vary. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 08:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Ah, that's a shame - I do think English language is part of the problem. I guess it has to be a block next time. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
They understand enough English to categorise articles, though. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 09:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, that's true - it's quite a strange case really. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:02, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I am thinking along the lines of Asperger or a similar impairment. They often get it right. It is when they get it wrong that havoc ensues. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 09:09, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, could well be - I know a few people like that myself. They often have talents that could fit in well with Wikipedia, if only they could be directed properly -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Saw your revdel

Posed a question about outing at WT:REVDEL#Revdel of outing. --Lexein (talk) 02:25, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Not sure the answer myself, but I suspect you're right - I'll watch it with interest. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:01, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring/removal of constructive edits

Hello, I need some help, User:Coppercholride has been reverting and edit warring with constructive edits that I have made. This trend has also been going on with other users, yet he seems adamant that he is right. I suspect there is no use in me trying to talk and discuss with him as he thinks I am on some kind of mission, and that it took a few days to just convince him to find some sources to back up what he was claiming (which he only did after User:Qwyrxian stepped in) in a previous discussion at Talk:Tamil Muslim#Ethnic origins of Sri Lankan Moors. He has reverted my constructive edits in the following three articles:

And has also engaged in the edit warring of the following articles with other editors:

The user is stirring up the neutrality and the validity of these sensitive articles, I'm not sure what would be the next step in preventing this.--Blackknight12 (talk) 13:21, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I'm really sorry I can't offer a great deal of help at the moment (I see Qwyrxian is too busy too), but what time I have available right now is pretty much swamped by other (mainly India-related) things. If you don't feel there's anything to be gained by further discussion, it might be worth asking for advice at WP:ANI - feel free to tell them it was my suggestion (just in case it turns out to be a bad one ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:14, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I see you met T13

Nuff said :) Fiddle Faddle (talk) 14:02, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I have had that pleasure, yes :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:09, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


Got it back, I see. JamesBWatson (talk)

I was kinda feeling bad about the trouble Sitush and the others were having, with not enough admins to help! -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Yep - know that feeling. — Ched :  ?  07:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm happy to see that you're back in the ring - try not to get knocked about too much! Yunshui  07:35, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Ah, that's what we're here for, isn't it? :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irajeevwik (talkcontribs) 19:46, 3 April 2013‎ (UTC)

Yo, Boing! SPI for me yesterday; ANI for you today. WP:GS/Caste for a whole load of people tomorrow, I suspect. - Sitush (talk) 19:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Ah, what fun - so glad I returned to admin when I did ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:14, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Egads! A bad block[1] -- obvious violation of WP:PERFECT ADMIN. NE Ent 02:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Hehe :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

MadeinJapan/Plant's Strider

Since you are conducting good faith discussions with this blocked user, in case you are not aware I thought I had better point out the reopening of the case at: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Plant's Strider. All the best.--SabreBD (talk) 12:52, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for letting me know. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:13, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Ezhava again

Are you sure about this or are you just applying AGF? - Sitush (talk) 17:23, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

The latter ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:34, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, a new user who knows what a sock is and can link to WP:PA is a fairly rare beast. DoRD is online right now - I might drop a note. - Sitush (talk) 17:38, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
OK -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:40, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, they're persistent - see Motherfukkersitush (talk · contribs). - Sitush (talk) 18:41, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Hehe - there's an email on its way to you, btw, which you might find interesting. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
D'uh! ;) Sitush (talk) 20:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

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Eyes, please

If you have the time and inclination then I would appreciate an eye being kept on the efforts of TimesGerman (talk · contribs), who formerly contributed as Bal437. - Sitush (talk) 04:55, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I had noticed, yes - I'll keep an eye when I can -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:21, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
There's a typo above - I meant Bal537, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 16:24, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Calamitous events

Regarding this, would it be the case that one calamity gave rise to the other? - Sitush (talk) 20:08, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Hehe, no, they were actually separate events :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:16, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

It is strange how things happen

You had just finished posting a suggestion that I might consider asking if I could have the keys to the janitorial supplies cupboard and a load of things happened to remind me that the key would just burn my palm and give me a key shaped brand on my hand. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 22:08, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, like vampires and holy water, eh? :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:40, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Now that is a fish of a very different colour. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 16:37, 6 April 2013 (UTC)


I just wanted to let you know that the user of the Milagrow article contacted me and I moved it to their userspace. The redirect might need to be deleted but I wanted to let you know why I did it anyway since you deleted the article. Kumioko (talk) 13:37, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks for letting me know - I've deleted the redirect. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:39, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

WHY is it being deleted again and again? PinkAmpersand clearly told me that i could write was legitimate! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayush.datta (talkcontribs) 16:53, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

It hasn't been deleted again, it's been moved to your userspace at User:Ayush.datta/Milagrow for you to work on - all I deleted was the leftover redirect. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
As I noted repeatedly, Ayush.datta, since you have a conflict of interest you should probably submit the article through the articles for creation process. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 03:39, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

But PinkAmpersand, I have always submitted the article through 'articles for creation' only!!! Always! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayush.datta (talkcontribs) 04:53, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Block evader

Boing!, you may already know this but,, and are all the same person. See MaterialScientist's (blocking editor's) talk page. I didn't know that IP 200 was an open proxy server until Material educated me on it. Btw, since they're all the same person, why is 99 blocked for a month, but 64 is only a day?? Same person should be the same block time for all the accounts they're using, right? I'm almost certain that 64, like 200, is a proxy server because the edtior is in Georgia ( -- (talk) 10:52, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I realise they're all the same person - I didn't set the block lengths myself, but I'll have a look over them again later. Oh, and no, we almost never indef block even static IPs, because even those can and often do change with time - static does not mean immutable in this case. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
OK, thanks. -- (talk) 11:21, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Protection request

At the rear, propping up the bar mantel. It is not my vomit on the wall.

Hi, Boing. I declined the protection request you suggested Pending Changes for, Joint (cannabis). I do agree it seems an obvious vandalism target. But you could of knocked me down wiv a fevver when I checked the IP edits from this year and saw that they were all but one (the last one) at least trying to be helpful. Kind of cheered me, you know? An unexpected validation of the "anybody can edit" idea that people aren't so bad after all—just as I was beginning to think that, no, really, my Wikipedia experience shows that people are bad. Bishonen | talk 17:30, 7 April 2013 (UTC).

Ha, what a nice surprise for an old cynic! -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:38, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Define "old" please? Just so I know for myself. — Ched :  ?  18:06, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Anyone older than me ;) - Sitush (talk) 18:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
<looks at Sitush's user page - doesn't see a d.o.b. Sees picture of someone named John. Plods off to ponder a bit> hmmm, Cambridge eh? Impressive. — Ched :  ?  18:14, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Gosh, that's you in that picture, Sitush? Wow, all things become clear in the end. I remember asking RexxS at the time (RexxS is the demented motivational speaker who's about to push Malleus Fatuorum off his chair) about that guy in the background, thoughtfully leaning on the piano and seemingly about to sit down and play "As time goes by" on it. But I don't think he knew. Then perhaps you can resolve the biggest mystery: why are you holding a human finger? (Wasn't it even a piano?) Bishonen | talk 19:36, 7 April 2013 (UTC).
P.S. Or maybe he did tell me? Memory going as extreme old age sets in. Bishonen | talk 20:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC).
Good day, that. Boing! in stripy shirt - too fat to hide behind RexxS. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:03, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
RexxS definitely knew who I was. He may have wished otherwise, as people do when they see an eccentric hovering in the background! I may not be holding a human finger - consider me as ET revisiting in a slightly more human form. (It was ET who had the extra-long "spin-on-it" digit, wasn't it?). Actually, I have no idea at all what the mysterious optical goings-on are re: that extension, which someone has definitely mentioned before. I might suggest a poor bit of airbrushing but, surely, the photographer would concentrate on very necessary improvements to the face, not the hand. But, looking closely, perhaps he did.

Boing says that it was a good day and I'll take his word for it. I can't remember much of the second half aside from a rather tasty chocolate stout that perhaps pushed me over the edge. And no, it wasn't a joanna: the only tinkling I did was in the gents, not on the ivories. In fact, by the end of the day, it might have saved a lot of walking up and down stairs if they'd put a bar in the gents. - Sitush (talk) 23:24, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I notice that Malleus' glass is empty - my question is .. Why hasn't someone bought that man another round? — Ched :  ?  13:09, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh, we did - multiple times :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:14, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
"the glass is not empty, it has just been "temporarily retired.. " Martinevans123 (talk) 23:18, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Help please

Hi Zebedee. I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction. I have been trying to move Jonathan E. Pease to Jonathan Pease but when I try to do this I get a message saying "You cannot move a page to this location because the new title has been protected from creation"[2]. I don't expect you to fix this for me but I thought you might know the right place to go to with a request.  Tigerboy1966  17:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah yes, it looks like Jonathan Pease was repeatedly created and deleted as being non-notable, but it was a different Jonathan Pease - a TV personality. I've unprotected it, so you should now be able to move Jonathan E. Pease - but hurry, before fans of the other Pease get hold of it again ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:45, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, moved successfully. Tigerboy1966  21:42, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Was it too soon??

Hi, we haven't officially met, but you might have met Ched and others.. I'm the new kid in town and I was seriously tired of trying to explain to that guy that he was wrong... He just didn't get the point. But being blocked indefinitely?? Way too soon right.. Anyways, I would have done it if even a single edit went back to that page. Cheers, and Hi again The Wikimon (talk) 12:14, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi. He was repeatedly creating an advertising article promoting what he claims is his own mobile phone service, despite having had it removed - and that gets a pretty quick "advertising only" indef block. Indef is not necessarily for ever - he can be unblocked as soon as he agrees to stop his promotional activity. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I just looked at his deleted contribs (admin access only). He was spewing ads even in his rationale to not speedy delete the article on its talk page. Total lack of clue or concern, so I think Boing! made the only call he could here. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 13:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
  • A pun on mobile phones and good calls,eh, Dennis? You seem to be on fine form today. - Sitush (talk) 23:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I wish I could take the credit for being that clever, but I have to be honest, it wasn't intentional :-) Dennis Brown - © Join WER 23:40, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks. This and this made my heart warm. Take care. ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh wow, that's very kind, thanks :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:14, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Elisa Lam

i got a notification saying you DELETED elisa lams wikipedia page !!citing "A7 Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject" .im not going into the details but if you read about what happened to her and related media reports , you will realise elisa lams story deserves a place of its own on the web.she wasnt a popular world known celebrity but she made a special place in the hearts and mind of lot of people around the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by Levelswung (talkcontribs) 11:36, 9 April 2013‎ (UTC)

Hi. Tragic though it was (and I don't mean to downplay that), it was just one of the many thousands of murders that happen around the world each year, and Wikipedia does not document them unless they attain some sort of special notability - being a murder victim is not, on its own, considered enough for a Wikipedia article. Having said that, the Cecil Hotel itself is considered sufficiently notable for a Wikipedia article, and Elisa Lam is mentioned in that article -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:24, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Blocking user

Could the user of, ( be blocked? Their participation in an edit war shows clear sign of a sock puppet. I have tried to reason with the user but they consist on removing my edits and disagreeing, despite another user supplying a reference to back up the point. Thanks Uh oh Uh Oh Again (talk) 20:21, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have the spare capacity to investigate this right now - I suggest WP:SPI or WP:ANEW -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:46, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry I suggested your name BsZ. The situation has been resolved, for now at least. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:12, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. No problem suggesting me - I'm always happy to help if I can, but I was just too tied up in some other things at the time and couldn't look at it promptly. Glad to hear it's being resolved. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:19, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Admin Nominators

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Hi. You recently blocked User:L2j2. I am concerned that this user has (since his block on en:) been adding similar WP:OR to other Wikimedia projects (such as es:, ht:, and fr: where the user in question edited the discussion page of his obvious sockpuppet, see below). Could you possibly contact a steward about this? It's pretty clear that his contributions to other Wikimedia projects are equally questionable. This editor exists only to promulgate his own original research as far into Wikimedia projects as he can. Thanks, Sławomir Biały (talk) 22:27, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

See also [3]. who also should be indef'd as an interwiki sockpuppet. Sławomir Biały (talk) 22:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Apparently User:JohnCD is already on top of it: here if you want to add anything. Sławomir Biały (talk) 23:10, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I don't know anything about dealing with other projects or cross-wiki problems, so I'll leave it to JohnCD -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Predictably, JohnCD had things in hand. Thanks, and sorry for wasting your time ;-) Sławomir Biały (talk) 23:02, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 08 April 2013

BSZ i am sorry

Hey,about me,RolandHelper,I am sorry for edit warring at June 2012 because I don't know to use this wiki yet. Now I can use this wiki for editing. My English language slightly better than now, however someone undid my edits,I don't want to revert it,if I used it I would violates the 3RR. I can't use bad words like crap,fuck,WTF,stfu (secret to this wiki and all to Wikimedia).-- (talk) 07:45, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Request unblock on your original account - do not evade the block. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:22, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
OK, I want request my user talk page unprotected and unblocked to Rolandhelper-- (talk) 05:53, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
As it says on your talk page, "If you wish to appeal further, see WP:BASC for instructions" (or you can use WP:UTRS). Any further comments you make here will be reverted and ignored. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 05:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Still at it eh?

Once again I see you are still at it. Following breadcrumbs of edit-warring editors and you are in the thick of it as usual. If they had a barnstar for persistently turning-up in edit-wars I would give you one24.0.133.234 (talk) 13:47, 10 April 2013 (UTC) (talk) 13:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

That's very kind, thanks -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

MacPaint (company)

I was going to add more information on the significance to MacPaint LTD to the Hampton Roads area shortly, can you restore the page? Dougbo —Preceding undated comment added 19:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi. If you can show me some reliable independent sources (see WP:RS) which demonstrate that the company satisfies Wikipedia's notability requirements for companies (see WP:NCORP), I'll be happy to consider it - please provide the URLs here. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:03, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Block-evading vandal with numerous socks is back

Hi Boing, he's back (as and using another confirmed proxy server. I see he got you too. So far, six of his sock and proxy accounts have been blocked: (primary account),,,,, Add this one to the list for blocking. -- (talk) 19:14, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Blocked, until the next one shows up. Black Kite (talk) 19:33, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Another one bites the dust. -- (talk) 19:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep whacking them moles, folks :-) Thanks for the reverts here too. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:35, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Might as well ID it, per policy; the underlying IP behind these proxies is - I've changed the block to hardblock - Alison 00:36, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Great, thanks -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:17, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks to all the great admins who have been dealing with this troublemaker. One question: What is a "hardblock"? I see on the block log for (the underlying IP) that Alison blocked them for 1 month yesterday. But Boing had already blocked for 1 month. Why isn't blocked indefinitely, or at least for a much longer period? It's a static IP. I also notice that is only blocked for 1 month, and for only 3 months. Perhaps there's a necessary reason that all the others are blocked for 1 year, but these are much shorter. I realize the 1 year blocks are for proxy accounts. In any case, thanks Boing, Alison, and the other admins. (talk) 14:32, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) This page can explain a hardblock far better than I can. Bascially, however; it stops all editing, whether logged in or not. I won't comment on the length of the blocks, as I'm not an admin. ~ Matthewrbowker Make a comment! 15:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Yep, a hard block will prevent anyone from editing from that IP address even if using a registered account, and that's the change Alison made. As for the length of the block, we almost never block an IP address indefinitely because even a "static" IP address can be reassigned. Having said that, a longer block would probably be justified, and if they come back to this address after the current block expires I expect that's what will happen. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:15, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the great explanations. Now I get it. :) (talk) 00:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC)


How does someone reply to something you/someone wrote on their(my) page? Is this the proper way/venue? (what im doing here/now)

Or for that matter, what is the proper way to communicate with a member?

Am i supposed to reply using MY talk page? as in where you left your comment? If so, does it notify you if someone replies? If this is not the proper place/way to do it please explain what im supposed to do, or direct me so the place / page to where i can find out. (talk) 06:07, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

If I post a comment on a user talk page then I will also add the page to my watchlist - so if you reply there, I will be notified. Most people do things the same way. But if you want to be sure the person is aware you have replied, you could add "{{talkback|}}" to their talk page and that will add an announcement linking back to your talkpage. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:17, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Revert without explanation?

Please read the top of the board:

Any user is welcome to leave a message or join the discussion here. Please record any actions which require review below in a new section.

- (talk) 15:47, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

You were repeatedly reopening a closed issue - if you continue, your IP addresses will be blocked. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:51, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Jimmy Wales' Red Card

He had it coming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesse96 (talkcontribs) 22:09, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

The autopatrolled rights flag is an admin tool, but DragonflySixtyseven (talk · contribs) has given you the redundant right because you are an admin

The rollback, review, filemover, and other rights are one of the admin's tools. DragonflySixtyseven gave you the redundant right, because the autopatrolled flag is also an admin tool. Would you like it to be removed? Eyesnore (PC) 00:39, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for letting me know. I've actually removed it myself now, for a couple of reasons. I don't think it should be bundled with admin tools automatically (and I know there's a proposal to change that), and on my own merits as an article creator I don't meet the usual criteria for non-admins to be granted the right - the same standards should apply to everyone. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:24, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Boston Marathon

I think you overreacted and took the easy route in protecting that page. Protection has been discussed both on the talk page and at WP:RFPP. There has been some vandalism since it was unprotected, but not that much. There's reason to believe that much of the very recent stuff comes from disgruntled registered users. (talk) 16:03, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm always happy to be overridden by community decision - there's a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal for two weeks semi-protection, where you can have your say. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:12, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


It looks like we were both working on this one at the same time. I decided to block the account because of the gross personal attack contained in Merritt cambell. This just doesn't seem like a person who's here for constructive editing. INeverCry 17:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, so we were - I think you made the right call. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:49, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 April 2013

Fudge, Kentucky

Its not in Fulton. GNIS mentions the name of a school abnd cemetery in 2 seperate counties, NOT Fulton. The "External links". How aboutthis? ONE is for the Sesame Street locator, yes, it s goes to the Sesame Street Site. AND The other is a 380+ page soil survey with no mention of the word Fudge......So, if you weant the article, with the patent nonsense about the sole place where people who contact sports cebnter live, Hey thats fine. AND its all BULLSHIT. How humiliating. This is the kind of garbage that people use to patronize the state.Coal town guy (talk) 00:25, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

It may be bullshit, but its not WP:CSD#G1 - go have a read of what that says (especially the part about what it excludes). -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:34, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
You are an admin, and your response is a policy on a place which you acknowledge may be BULLSHIT and insulting???? Thank you so muchCoal town guy (talk) 00:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
CSD:G1 is only for things that are not in readable English, as it explains at the link I gave you. Something that is written in coherent English but is blatant factual bullshit may be eligible for CSD:G3, but "may be bullshit" is not sufficient. It must be obviously bullshit, which I don't think it is. Taking it to WP:AfD is the correct approach. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


You are wholly uninvolved, I think. Though feel free to decline the request since we have spoken before and seem to get on well if you may feel influenced by that. I am standing too close to a matter on my talk page. I, or the editor I have been seeking to guide, or both of us probably require guidance. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 00:00, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I've left a comment. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:55, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I appreciate it. What I believe it confirms is that I have not wittingly insulted the other gentleman. Sometimes one needs to step back and ask for other eyes. Thank you for providing yours. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 12:13, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Happy to help - we clearly have an enthusiastic contributor here, and I think early guidance is always a good idea -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:11, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
He is most assuredly enthusiastic. He seems a decent sort, too. He is amenable to listening to advice, and, quite reasonably, not always amenable to taking it. I think it is time for me to step back a few paces and hope he gives himself time to consider how to have the most fun and be the most useful he can be here. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 20:18, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi there; you have blocked this user for creating attack pages; I am sorry, but I do not see any. I do not, in truth, see any vandalism of any kind, although he has had three articles deleted for other reasons. what can you see that I cannot?--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 10:51, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, I guess I may have been mistaken, but I've only ever heard the term "jewcake" used in a derogatory context (ie "baked in a gas oven"). At least one other editor apparently did so too, and I couldn't find any decent sources for a valid use of the term. However, judging by their latest Talk page comments, it looks like it was not intended that way and was purely innocent, so I'll unblock with a suitable log comment. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:01, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Export hell seidel steiner.png Thanks for leaving some useful comments on my student's talk page! It is appreciated! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:36, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, that's very kind. And I'm happy to help - we should be assisting and welcoming newcomers who want to help us build the encyclopedia. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:40, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Question on my TP

So, I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation, and everything is no problem, but since you were the last one to make a change and you're an admin, I gotta ask: What is going on over at my Talk page?? Boneyard90 (talk) 13:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi - sorry, I should have left you a comment. Someone was canvassing and revealing personal information that I thought should not be made public, so I removed and rev-deleted it. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:04, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
I see. It seems I somehow stumbled into a feud between two editors. Good luck with them. Boneyard90 (talk) 14:09, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Green Phantom

A pathetic timewaster. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Paul Bedson. Dougweller (talk) 15:44, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Aha, thanks for letting me know. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:52, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Biased POV edits

Hi Boing! said Zebedee. I have been referred to you by an editor that I trust, who identified you as a key editor on India. There is an editor going round adding to a number of articles (see Karachi) a statement about "Hindus migrating out of Pakistan, and Muslims fleeing pogroms and genocide in India (pogrom often spellt by this editor as pogram). In the past few days, another editor and I have deleted the references to pograms but he reverts the edits. I have no problem with the use of strong terms to refer to what happened in 1947, but cannot agree with the distorted view that people left Pakistan peacefully, while others fled India to escape massacres. A quick glance at a number of articles - ethnic cleansing; genocides in history, pogram, etc. do not list the 1947 population exchange that followed the partition as a pogrom or genocide. Other then 1947 per se, these articles actually reveal that a number of massacres have been carried by Pakistan(is), and not a single case of massacres against them.

Best regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 20:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not able to help right now - see the message below this section. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:18, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


Sawadee krap

Puud Thai mai? PumpkinSky talk 19:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

(Slow response - been very occupied in real life) I can mange a bit - but nowhere near as much as I should be able to after all the time I've spent there! But I know enough to get around. You? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:39, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Nit noi. PumpkinSky talk 23:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:Bullying#This reversion

You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Bullying#This reversion. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:09, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


saw the wiki-break thing ... hope to see you back soon. Hope all is well IRL with you. Have something to say when you have the time. Cheers. Ched — Ched :  ?  04:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - it's some family business keeping me busy. I should be here on and off for the next few weeks, so please feel free with whatever it is and I'll see what time I have to respond. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:41, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


I wasn't really eager to get involved there, but reading through the whole maze of issues on LittleBenW. To be clear, I avoid diacritics as a topic, it is something I am ignorant about and every time that word shows up at ANI, I know it is going to be a slugfest. In this case, I just felt like I had no choice but to come in as someone who didn't know Ben and could be objective about the process. I hope you know that I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and don't question your faith in this matter at all, but I really couldn't see how a consensus could be reached, as some votes were obviously based on the outing, and others might have been but lacked enough detail to know for sure. Trying to read consensus there was a minefield. I had hoped he would step back a bit and be a little less defiant about the affair, but my concerns are bigger than this one editor, they are more about ensuring we can sleep good at night knowing we were wise enough to know when to abort. You're a good friend, and I wanted to make sure I was clear on that point. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 11:24, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Somethīng else, Boīngīe: you méntīoned me on ANI, at 13:55 on 21 April 2013 (UTC), and dīdn't notīfy me. For that, I wīll retroactīvely tōpīc-ban you from all MMA artīcles for the duratīon of an entīre day, startīng the day before yesterday. I hope īt hǜrts. Drmies (talk) 02:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Well, devastated by a topic ban from MMA, what could I do but stay away all together?! But seriously, what a horrible topic area that is. And yes, Dennis, I'd understood and agreed with what you said - but I wanted to add a bit more than just "Yeah, what Dennis said" ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
    • I'm on a self-imposed MMA topic ban after trying to mediate some larger issues a year ago. The headaches of dealing with people who only want to endlessly debate pushes my patience to the breaking point. In this case, I tried to do what I think you would have done in the same circumstances. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 11:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
      • I don't want to insult fans of MMA in general (because I'm sure the majority are no different from followers of any sporting activity), but we do seem to get quite a few proponents here who are almost as combative as the fighters themselves - and I have better things to do than try arguing with them. In fact, in the area of sports and competition, I think I might restrict my admin activities to bowls and cribbage. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:51, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
        • I used to think that bones (dominoes) was quite a safe past-time until my oppo somehow managed to smash a table in frustration: he slammed his bones down that hard, the top split and the legs splayed way out. It was a decent pub table, too, not some IKEA flat-pack rubbish. Then again, he was a 25-stone former rugby player with hands like shovels and a 58-inch chest ... - Sitush (talk) 12:12, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
          • I know what you rugby types are like - you'd probably been on the aftershave ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:24, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
            • (TPS): Derek and the Dominoes ?? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
              • Hm, I thought it was Brian Moore (rugby union) who famously drank post-match aftershave in Paris but our article does not seem to mention it - my memory must be suffering from all the big hits. There is at least one joke about bones, which invariably invokes the Irish stereotype: two Irishmen passing a pub noticed that people are playing dominoes using bones that have diamonds for pips. One says to the other, "Why not go in there, join a game and nick one of the bones? Easy money!". This was done and the conspirators met round the corner to decide where to fence their spoils ... only to find he'd taken the double-blank. - Sitush (talk) 14:05, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
                • "turn me over, Romeo"? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:12, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
                  • Colin Smart -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:17, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
                    • Yes, it's amazing what a few years teaching at Hartridge could do for you (now sadly bulldozed away). But glad we got that one settled, eh Brian? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:36, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
                      • That's the man, thanks. My memory seems to be faltering as old age creeps up on me: sometimes it seems so bad that the creeping is being done by a rhino (the animal, not a playerof the rugby league outfit from the wrong side of the Pennines). - Sitush (talk) 15:11, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
                        • Arh! the joys of mature years (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 15:23, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
                          • I've been limiting my activity at the boards and in dispute resolution anyway. I'm trying something new here, I think they call it "content creation". I'm hammering away at what will (hopefully soon) become my second GA this year. Too much problem solving isn't good for my health, it is nice to actually build something fresh from time to time. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 15:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
                            • It's a great article Dennis. Hard to see what to improve! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
                              • Thanks, but there are a number of things to be tweaked. The prose is adequate, but not up to GA standards yet. I'm pretty good at sourcing and digging up info, but I still have a lot to learn about writing in an encyclopedic style. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 23:19, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
                                • The style seems pretty good to me. I hope you don't fall into the trap of believing that "longer, more complicated sentences are more encyclopedic". (Sorry Boing! I'm sure this is not the best place for this discussion). Martinevans123 (talk) 11:38, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
                                  • No problem - I'm always happy for nice people to chat here ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
                                    • That isn't a trap, that is my style :) I am a bit verbose, although better than a year ago, ask Boing. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 18:51, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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Advice sought

Hi Zeb. I wonder could you advise about this: [4] & etc., which seems somehow contrary to MOS. I have opened a discussion at that editor's Talk Page. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:NOTCATALOG seems to apply. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:20, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Sorry I haven't had a chance today to take a look, but on first glance it does look a bit excessive - I'll try to have a closer look and offer some thoughts tomorrow. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:46, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
No worries. The editor seems open to discussion. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
p.s. we're up to 62 bare external links now. Just don't want him to waste any more effort if they are deemed inappropriate. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry I really haven't had time to look at this so far. I'm not sure bare links will actually be a waste of time in themselves, though there may be more references than necessary there. They really just need to be formatted properly, but they're better than nothing, and maybe someone will come along and fix them up some time. They should also be at the end of each sentence/clause rather than in the middle. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:40, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough. I'll direct attention to your statement here if that's ok with you? I am surprised. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:28, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Sure - but I should say that I'm not really an expert on the subject, it's just my feel based on my experience. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
If you want to suggest anyone else, I'll gladly go and pester them. Sorry for using you as a "one-stop-shop". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:59, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
User:Dennis Brown is a very knowledgeable and helpful chap - often pretty busy, but usually happy to help. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:04, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Good thinking, Batman. I'll drop him a note. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:10, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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RE: Outing allegation on Talk: Jackie Mason


I saw this page when I was looking at pending changes. I saw you'd redacted a comment as outing, now I haven't touched it, as I'm on a voluntary 0rr restriction, however, I was curious about the claim of outing. No one's real name is used, and Saybaw does actually say (in so many words) [ | that he works for Jackie Mason, on wikipedia ] so, I'm not convinced he was outed.

Do you not agree that the diff I gave was evidence that he's already disclosed that information on wikipedia already ? If so, then it wouldn't be a violation of outing. (I have no dogs in this fight, I'm just curious )  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  18:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) They don't say that they work for Jackie Mason in that diff, they say that they have some sort of connection to Mason that they explicitly ask to remain private. So no, that diff doesn't mean that this wasn't outing, since it was being more explicit than Saybaw was (about a topic Saybaw wanted to keep private, no less). Also, jeez, I only just noticed that it's ten months old. Writ Keeper  18:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
As you will see in my Talk Page Archive 6 - Item 114, I responded. I never did get any "private communication", so I assumed that the editor had given up. Apparently not. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't remember much about that and don't really have time to go back to it, sorry. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
What he said was fairly obvious... but don't worry, I get it, he didn't explicitly say he worked for Jackie Mason, therefore no one else could either. Thanks for the explanation  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  17:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't know how general a view this is, if at all, but I look at outing the same way I look at WP:SYNTH. Writ Keeper  17:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Caste article problem

We have a problem with Shamsher Singh Sidhu Jatt at Bhatia caste, where "I know it is so" is getting ahead of WP:V. I wonder if the situation may not be helped by the new notification system - the substitution of an orange banner with a diddly red square is problematic, imo. - Sitush (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm watching that now too. And yes, I think the loss of the orange banner is a real backwards step for new users. There really is no way now of making it clear to them that they have warnings - that little red number is just not attention-grabbing. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:44, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

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Deletion of Institut auf dem Rosenberg

Many thanks for your insightful commentary as to why, the Institut auf dem Rosenberg page should not feature on the english version of Wikipedia. However, you have failed to enlighten me on how to make the page sound 'less as an advertisment,' and more as an article.

As a fellow writer, I have put in enormous effort to write a true picture of Rosenberg. I tried to include other views about the school, such as its hefty pricing (the one negative comment online), however the comment I found regarding the price exists only in form of an online commentary, which Wikipedia does not permit as a source. I have also looked at all references about Rosenberg online and have included all of the ones found online. Finally, I looked at the entries of other boarding schools, and based my article about Rosenberg on those already existing.

I would like you to note that I have invested a enormous amount of time to produce this article in my own free time and have put it together with outmost intergrity, being a journalist myself. I am open for comments and changes to my entry, however, I am puzzled why other entires of boarding schools are deemed to meet the integrity standards eventhough the quality of the article and sources is much poorer than the one you asked to be delted about the Institut auf dem Rosenberg. You will see that they are all shown in a positve light, some of them dont have single source!!! Many are online since many years. I cannot help but feel there is a certain capriousness to this. Again, any suggestions from your side are welcome. (LKK343 (talk) 12:19, 4 May 2013 (UTC))

Hi. I'm afraid a lot of the article was written in an overly-promotional style - more like the school's own PR than a neutral, factual, description. For example, sentences like "Rosenberg is among the world’s most prestigious schools and is the only luxury boarding school in the German-speaking part of Switzerland." and "The Institut auf dem Rosenberg paves the way for students, who often come from entrepreneurial family backgrounds, to take over leading businesses around the world and prepares them for roles in science, arts and politics." really do not belong in a neutrally-written encyclopedia article - and that's just the lead! Basically, what you would need to do is remove all the superlatives, all the praise, all the puffery, leave out the trivia - and just write it in a disinterested factual style, supported by independent third-party sources. I have provided you with a user copy of the deleted article, at User:LKK343/Institut auf dem Rosenberg, so you can work on it to bring it to a less promotional standard. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:37, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your input, I appreciate it very much and will review the article under these suggestions as soon as possible. I agree that naming Rosenberg as one of the world's most prestigious schools is redundant to the substance of the entry, however, would like you to note that it is indeed the only luxury boarding school in the German part of Switzerland. Switzerland is known for its many boarding schools, institutions, and education, however most of them are located in the French-speaking Western Switzerland. This is why I wanted to make the distinction. Having said that, I do not mind for this sentence to be deleted either. I hope you have the time to have a look at an amended article, which I hope to post next week. Many thanks again. (LKK343 (talk) 12:46, 4 May 2013 (UTC))

Hi. I'd be happy to have a look over the article in your user space when it's ready, before you move it back to main space, if you'd like me to. Also, I see what you mean by the "only luxury boarding school in the German part of Switzerland" - maybe if you could think of a different word than "luxury" it might be better? Anyway, good luck with it. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)


I am not able to revert D mavi should they make any further poor edits at Rajput in the near future. I am trying to explain on their talk page but have no idea if they are seeing the messages or not. - Sitush (talk) 11:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, I have it watched. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:48, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Actually, he's way over 3RR, so I've blocked - I'll leave the revert to someone else. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:55, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
RegentsPark did that bit. Thanks, both. - Sitush (talk) 17:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


Hi, Thanks for the comment on the spi, Is there any way of getting it removed tho as It now appears on Google (something I didn't want to happen), I was hoping my stupid actions of CSD would've paid off but sadly not lol, Thanks, Kindest Regards, –
→Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 16:55, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, hi, I hadn't realised who the deletion request was coming from. It's not usual to delete SPI reports, but I guess it might actually be OK to do a CSD:G7 delete on it - I've been bold and done it. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Wow thank you ever so much :) You've made my day so thank you! Much appreciated! :) –
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Deleted Metro United Way

Can you please explain why Metro United Way was deleted? When similar nonprofits have wikipedia profiles: United Way Worldwide and Blessings in a Backpack. Thanks.

Melody MurphyMelody Murphy7 (talk) 23:00, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi. The article was written in way too promotional a style of writing. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:09, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Your Nickname

Your nickname, makes me think too much about it, where does it come from, is it random or what, I think it's the fact that it sounds like its from a cartoon for kids, It's a really good nickname but why "Boing! said Zebedee" it makes no sense or logic.

Zebedee was an almost human creature in a yellow jacket with a spring instead of feet. He always appeared and disappeared with a loud "boing" sound and usually closed the show with the phrase "Time for bed." - The Magic Roundabout
(talk page stalker)Nothing to do with Jaspert Carrott, then? Fiddle Faddle (talk) 20:25, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, perhaps a bit of his influence too ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:28, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, that makes a lot of sense now, sadly I cant watch that show (The Magic Roundabout) because i'm not in the provided area. PBASH607 (The One Day Apocalypse) (talk) 22:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
I expect this will help. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 22:32, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Ha! Now that's classical humor, though most modern people will not get those jokes an all or find them funny in general. I found it hilarious and classical, Thanks a ton! PBASH607 (The One Day Apocalypse) (talk) 22:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Adam Norman

Hi, I am not sure why this page was deleted. This person is the CEO of a well known company that receives media cover globally in the form of magazines, TV, radio and more. Was there something wrong with the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EctoMedia (talkcontribs) 06:18, 8 May 2013‎ (UTC)

There was no indication given in the article as to why he is sufficiently important to warrant a Wikipedia article. It was also written in too promotional a style - we don't want marketing fluff like "unlike anything the industry has seen before" here. Ultimately an article about a person would need to satisfy the notability requirements at WP:N, so please have a read of that and feel free to try again when you are sure you can provide proper support through reliable sources (see WP:RS too). -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:27, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of ectomuscle

Again, a company that traders globally, receives media coverage every month in multiple countries. The reasons stated were copyright which we have full permission to quote from the website? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by EctoMedia (talkcontribs) 06:18, 8 May 2013‎ (UTC)

I didn't delete it, but I can see it was not deleted as a copyright infringement - it was deleted mainly because it was pure promotional marketing fluff, and partly because there was no indication of why the company is sufficiently important for a Wikipedia article. (There was a copyright problem, and there are proper procedures you would need to follow to release the material so it can be reused by Wikipedia, but that's not really relevant as the material is wholly unsuitable for use here anyway). You are not allowed to advertise or promote your company here - Wikipedia only accepts neutrally-written articles about notable companies, almost always written by disinterested third-parties. Please see WP:NCORP for the notability requirements for companies, and have a look at the conflict of interest guidelines at WP:COI too. Finally, your username is a problem - Wikipedia accounts are for individuals only and cannot be named as if they represent a company or organization. I shall leave you a suitable message on your userpage suggesting what you should do. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:38, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

No edit summary revert - [5]

I have to disagree with your edit summary/revert explanation. Reversions of edits done by IPs where there is no edit summary are done quite frequently. I see it all the time by other editors, including experienced, long-time editors. Now, if you're saying there's no policy stating no edit summary is not enough of a reason to revert, I might agree with you. Then I'd ask where I could find that policy. Winkelvi (talk) 03:22, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi. If you have a read of Help:Edit summary, you will see that an edit summary is described merely as good practice, but not as a mandatory requirement. Reversions of contentious unexplained changes, especially reversions of unexplained removals, are indeed done frequently. But there needs to be an actual reason to believe the change itself is not desirable, rather than just "no edit summary" - especially with a pretty uncontentious-looking addition where it is plainly obvious what it is and why it was done. On the whole, your enthusiasm is admirable, but I do think you're being a bit over-zealous with this article in your desire to have it deleted - and I would urge you to just step back from it a bit now and see how the AfD discussion goes. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Oh, and I should add that it is nothing to do with the change being by an IP. IPs have exactly the same editing status as users with named accounts. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:40, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)Out of curiosity I inspected the edit. It added value to the article. I would not have reverted it. IP editors often make edits with no summary, and that is fine. My practice is to inspect them, see the value and consider my action based upon that. But I tend to inspect those of new editors, editors with redlinked talk pages, and IP editors anyway. Most of those edits are good edits. Some are not. This one was a good edit (0.9 probability), so I do not see the issue with either the reversion or the need to discuss the reversion. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 09:34, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Oh, the irony. I forgot to leave an edit summary! Fiddle Faddle (talk) 09:40, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Hehe :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:15, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, not leaving an edit summary when talking about leaving edit summaries -- funny as well as ironic.
Reverting the IP user because of no edit summary had nothing to do with being over-zealous or believing the article needs to be deleted. I'm hoping there's no insinuation that I am trying to sabotage the article. Thanks for the further explanation of the non-policy on edit summaries. It's appreciated. Winkelvi (talk) 22:23, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
But I tend to inspect those of new editors, editors with redlinked talk pages, and IP editors anyway. Most of those edits are good edits. Some are not. - you obviously do not watch caste-related articles, where the reverse usually applies! - Sitush (talk) 23:14, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
I watch some in that area, and I agree that the reverse replies. It seems that there are areas where partisan support of an idea is more important to transient editors that NPOV (etc). This appears to be related to a sad lack of education in some geographies coupled with a belief that local aspects are more important than a global view. That the language of this version of Wikipedia may not be their first language doesn't help. None of these things are the fault of the people making the partisan edits. I imagine it will change over the next century or so. At present the things that are held as dearly held beliefs outweigh the importance of a more rigorous view. Such thing stake time to change.
If we take a broader view of it , though, this is a statistically significant anomaly, one that is difficult for experienced editors to work with and continue to assume good faith, but is, in reality, just an anomaly. When more experienced editors make the same mistakes, that is a kettle of fish of a very different colour, though. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 06:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Mike Watts

Hello Boing! said Zebedee. You've deleted this page. I have little experience with WP:SPI, but I'm sure User:Wattsy11123 (creator) = User:Djwattsy112 = Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of SebastainTorres. What do you think about it? --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:52, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah yes, that looks pretty blatant, thanks - I've indef blocked. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:59, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Italics in article title

Vinayak Damodar Savarkar should not be an italicised article title but I have no idea why it is or how to fix. If I do a normal page move then I am fairly sure it will not fix the format problem - is there some sort of hidden template or what? Any ideas? -And, no rush - next year will do. Sitush (talk) 14:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

The {{Infobox court case}} template automatically sets the article title to italic (as do some other infoboxes), and you need to specify "italic title = no", which I have done. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:13, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
You are way more clever than your namesake, and me :) - Sitush (talk) 15:15, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
"Time for bed" -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:17, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 06 May 2013

User talk: - Refactored unblock decline

Good day. I notice you altered the unblock request decline I posted on the talk page of the IP above. I was curious as to why. If my response was insufficiently informative or something along those lines, my mistake. - Vianello (Talk) 19:33, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, no, I hadn't even seen yours. We were just both declining it at the same time and we collided - the software does sometimes allow that to happen without giving an edit conflict. I've reverted mine now - yours looks fine. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:40, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
That was my other main guess. Just thought I'd check in case I'd bungled something without meaning to. I've never seen edits merge together like that from simultaneous edits. Thanks for being on top of things! - Vianello (Talk) 19:42, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


Please remember to notify User talk:Sol1 that they are mentioned at WP:ANI. I believe there is even a boilerplate template that can be used. Please also drop by that discussion. Apteva (talk) 23:41, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah, dammit, I intended to do so but I got dragged away and I forgot - thanks for the reminder. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:03, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Apteva, Doesn't the new notification system alert editors when they are mentioned somewhere? XOttawahitech (talk) 15:13, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
I believe it does, but the requirement to notify people of ANI reports still remains - Apteva was quite right. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 May 2013

Modi is getting out of hand

Narendra Modi is getting out of hand. This edit summary and stuff by that user on the talk page over the last 24 hours or so is already pushing the limits, imo. We were doing quite well in keeping a lid on things there - accusations of a dodgy lead that has caused reports at BLPN, ANI and a RfC aside - but it is going to get very heated soon if this style continues. I've left a note about the edit summary but wonder if it should be revdel'd because of the Indo-Pak, Hindu/Muslim & plain old Hindutva nexus? If needs be, the actual content could be reinstated, - Sitush (talk) 08:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

It has got worse, so I've taken it to ANI. - Sitush (talk) 09:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Sarvajna linked to this at ANI and I responded. - Sitush (talk) 16:02, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
OK. Sorry I wasn't around earlier - occupied with personal things at the moment. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 04:14, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


User:Herbert Tauss

Can you please restore the page I was making about Herbert Tauss? I was hoping to submit it as a main page but did it wrong. Karen sheaKtaushea (talk) 03:28, 22 May 2013 (UTC)5/21/13

Hi. I have restored the page to your user space at User:Ktaushea/Herbert Tauss for you to work on it. But I would caution you that the tone is not appropriate in places. A neutral Wikipedia article should not, for example, make value judgments like "Herbert Tauss's work has been on of constant reinvention, evolving on every level. His vision goes beyond purely technical skills and his sensitive line is a virtual reflection of his feelings. Whether in black-and-white or color, his work has the ability to pique the curiosity of the viewer". (I'd offer to help more, but I'm afraid I don't really have time for Wikipedia right now - see the message at the head of this page) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

THANKS! I will work on sounding more neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktaushea (talkcontribs) 02:01, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Jat People

Hi, I've done some edits in the intro of the article Jat People, but Sitush have reverted them. He is trying to maintain a kind of status quo in the article by using the "Non Elite Tillers" syntax from some "Dictionary term". Please take part in the consensus and provide your views regarding this.

-Viplovecomm (talk) 11:41, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't have a lot of time right now - see the message at the head of this page. And it's also a Bank Holiday weekend in the UK this weekend. So please be patient. I have not investigated this at all, and I'll wait and see how the discussion goes. If I have time to try to help (and I can't promise I will), I might choose to take part in the content discussion, or I might choose to reserve my admin capacity to help judge consensus and oversee behavioural issues - but I can't do both. And please, Viplovecomm, have a good read of WP:NPA and be careful not to violate it. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:15, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


I saw your intervention regarding a potential personal attack that occurred on my talk. You've got enough on your plate, I know, but this sort of hot-headedness is not helping matters. It is minor stuff in the scale of things but the incidence of "my way or the highway" by that contributor over a protracted period on Chamar related articles is considerable. They are to all intents and purposes a single-purpose account and I suspect that they are a little too close to the subject to treat it impartially. When you have a moment, perhaps you could have another word? Alternatively, bollock me for being pedantic. Or do both. - Sitush (talk) 23:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

That general personal approach is not acceptable - I've left a further warning. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:59, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


Vishwabrahmins needs to be moved to Vishwabrahmin per our convention that article title for castes are given in the singular form. I can't do it, so please could you oblige when you have a moment. - Sitush (talk) 07:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Green tickY -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:53, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Restoration of Dimensionaut

Hi Boing. A few weeks ago, the Dimensionaut album page was deleted as it had not been released yet and there were no major sources covering it. As of today, the album is now available in stores worldwide, and many different sources have reviewed and/or promoted the album's release. Just this morning, BBC Wiltshire Radio did an interview with the band to promote the album. The album is also available on iTunes and Amazon now.

Do you think you could please restore the article, Boing? That would be really appreciated. Thanks. Vuzor (talk) 14:49, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You might want to check with the folks at one of the recorded music/album project groups. They know what's acceptable for articles re: albums and when those articles would stand a chance of remaining, rather than being deleted (again). Winkelvi (talk) 15:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Yep, checking with one of the music projects sounds like a good idea to me. So what I've done is I've restored it to a userfied copy at User:Vuzor/Dimensionaut, so you can update it with sources - then you could ask for a quick review of it there before moving it. (Oh, and I've temporarily commented out the categories while it's in user space - you can put them back when it's moved) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Restoration of Lipaglyn

Hey can you please restore the page It's a knowledgeable article that i came across. You can even check the references as below : IndiaGiants (talk) 08:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

No, because it was a violation of copyright. Please see WP:COPYVIO to learn why you are not allowed to copy other people's copyrighted material into Wikipedia. If you wish to write an article about Lipaglyn then you will need to write it in your own words and not just copy it from elsewhere. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:41, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Time for bed, said Florence!

As dylan strummed his guitar.

 :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

게릴라 가드닝

Hello, Boing. You just deleted the article 게릴라 가드닝. I was trying to translate the article Guerilla Gardening into Korean, would you please help me how can I translate not duplicate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkdud (talkcontribs) 17:55, 6 June 2013‎ (UTC)

I have explained on your talk page that articles in Korean need to go in the Korean language Wikipedia. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Piblic Toilet

You deleted Piblic Toilet --B D Minimalist (talk) 18:28, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes - the term is Public toilet -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:30, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
What about diaper, urinal and other ? --B D Minimalist (talk) 18:37, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
I haven't deleted those. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:23, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Natalie Holt

I hate to disagree with your redirection of Natalie Holt. She is a viola player that has played on numerous notable albums and thus her antics don't come under WP:1EVENT. Use AfD.--Launchballer 09:43, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I didn't redirect it - I merely declined the speedy deletion request after it had been redirected, as CSD:A7 does not apply to redirects. (I then modified the redirect as it was pointing to a non-existent section in the target). It was User:Livin'InAGhostTown who redirected it, so that's the person you should discuss it with. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I'd already posted on his talk page regarding what the correct prod template was: the comments are here should they interest you.--Launchballer 10:47, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


I noticed that, as requested by the User concerned, you recently deleted the content of User Factuallee here. You should note that this content forms part of the evidence submitted at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rob.HUN. Can you please re-instate? It appears to be a deliberate attempt by the User to frustrate the SPI. Thanks. RashersTierney (talk) 08:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Ah, hadn't realised that, sorry - I've restored the original version now. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Many thanks. RashersTierney (talk) 10:23, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


Is Somnath Bharti a CSD A7 candidate? I've raised a notability query on the talk page but A7 is a slightly different criteria. - Sitush (talk) 08:16, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Not sure about notability, but I'd say a claim of "leading" a movement together with some references should be enough to beat A7 - the Speedy Deletion bar is pretty low. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:12, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, that was my concern. Although being called a "leader" in the Indian media is pretty vague. I'm very worried about all these AAP-related articles that are popping up because they seem to be almost a coordinated attempt to use WP for promotion and, well, this looks to me like yet another storm in the Indian political teacup, whipping up a messianic fervour that will dissipate in a couple of months' time. - Sitush (talk) 10:16, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Oh well, it has blown up now. I'm off out but will try to sort the various proposed citations when I return. It seems clear that the IP is not going to get to grips with how BLPs and copyright work. - Sitush (talk) 10:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar of Integrity

Barnstar of Integrity Hires.png The Barnstar of Integrity
For your support during the recent unpleasantness. PumpkinSky talk 22:33, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Southeast Asia television (& other) articles

Not sure if you remember the multiple-IP affair centred on Channel 3 (Thailand) back in 2010. I've recently come across the articles in User:DKH2010's list of contributions and they're feeling uncomfortably familiar. Articles about television and vehicle licence plates in Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia and Cambodia have continuously been subjected to multiple poorly or unreferenced (though non-vandal) edits, often by similar IPs (as well as DKH2010), with a lot of copying from different articles (without proper attribution), including some weird cut&paste moves. S/he's also been reverting and arguing with some of the IPs. This has been ongoing for quite some time, but just trying to sift through the list of affected articles (which no one else seems to care about) is proving very tiresome, and I'm not quite sure what exactly can or should be done here. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:12, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh no, not them again! I'll see if I can muster the courage to have a look over what's been happening - but it probably won't be until later in the week. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

RFC/U on another user

About a year ago, you warned User:Baboon43 about edit warring. One year on and the user still displays problems with both edit warring and, in many cases, civility. An RFC/U has been opened at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Baboon43 with the goal of helping this user deal with disputes in a new, better way. I am informing you in case you would like to observe and comment. MezzoMezzo (talk) 12:45, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know - I'll try to take a look when I have the time. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:53, 22 June 2013 (UTC)


You Boing!ed the Lord! Good block, thanks. Drmies (talk) 14:09, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

  • There is surely some kind of Luke Skywalker/(Lord) Darth Vader/"If you strike me down..." joke to be had here. Dennis Brown |  | © | WER 15:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
    Hehe :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:29, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Blocking one's own deity surely classifies as wp:bold. (and hey, I didn't start the humor) — Ched :  ?  15:32, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Or as a classic (almost Oedipal) example of INVOLVED. Drmies (talk) 17:18, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

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I say, good show ole' chap.

[6]. I could tell s/he was getting close. (and sorry for the really poor Dick Van Dyke English accent) — Ched :  ?  21:28, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Dashed kind of you. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:21, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Restoration of Tata Elxsi

could you please restore Tata Elxsi page, so that we can do the cleanup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vandana TE (talkcontribs) 12:19, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

It cannot be restored as it was, as a large proportion of it consisted of copyright violations and those cannot be republished. And if the copyright violations and the promotional-sounding puffery were all removed, there would be almost nothing left. My view is that it really needs to be re-written from scratch, sorry. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:31, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Copy right violation? can you elaborate on that please, So that we can have a look at that content? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:57, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

No, you cannot look at that content, because I cannot restore a copyright violation - not even briefly. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Your Recent Blocking

I think you made a mistake somewhere. The template you posted says temporary, but the block log says indefinite. - Amaury (talk) 21:36, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Ah yes, thanks, I posted the wrong message - I've modified it. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Would you?

Since you have had some involvement previously in the Dimensionaut article, would you consider taking time to look at this report I filed at AN/I here [7] and article talk page here [8] and here [9]? I'm getting no response from this [10], either. I don't know if I'm going about asking for assistance in the wrong way, my requests for comment and assistance aren't interesting enough (or drama-laden enough), or what. Would really appreciate your feedback and any help you can offer. Thanks. -- Winkelvi 20:55, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi. It's a bit late here and nearly time for bed, but I'll try to have a look at it over the weekend and see if I can help. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I guess I am just anticipating my AN/I report to be archived since no one on an administrative level has touched it yet. But I do appreciate that you are needing some rest considering the hour where you are and don't expect you to do anything right now because of the hour. I forgot that you are not in our part of the world. -- Winkelvi 21:30, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Another article move required

Someone has redirected Uppal (clan) to Jatt Uppal, which is clearly a POV title and contrary to common name etc. I can't move it back because of the redirect. Please can you do the deed, when you have a moment. Ta. - Sitush (talk) 09:30, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Forget that - I figured out a solution. - Sitush (talk) 09:33, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Happy to !help ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:39, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


The image of the girl is still available on commons here Darkness Shines (talk) 12:06, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

As it's a derivative of the original and we don't have copyright status for the original (and it looks like the original was deleted for copyright reasons - but I can't see deleted stuff on Commons), I'm really not sure we can use it. But I'm no expert, so I'll leave it to others to deal with. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:14, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
The reason given for deletion was that it was a duplicate, where did it mention copyright? Perhaps I looked at the wrong file. Darkness Shines (talk) 12:23, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Just checked Image is a duplicate of an image on Commons Darkness Shines (talk) 12:34, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Basically, what I'm trying to politely say is that I don't know and I don't really care all that much - it's not an admin issue, so you'll have to deal with it yourself if you want to get it back. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:44, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
But for info, the original version had been copied to Commons:File:Pashtun girl.jpg, which was deleted on 29 June as per this deletion request with the reason "EXIF-less tiny image. Original uploader to enwiki did not claim to be the author" - which suggests the authorship and therefore copyright were uncertain. Commons:File:Pashtun girl template.jpg is a derivative of the deleted original, and so will presumably suffer from the same attribution problem. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:44, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

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