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August 2024

Hello, I'm Ram1751. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to List of Hindu temples in the United States have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Also see WP:NOTDIRECTORY - Ram1751 (talk) 18:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

please explain how it is promotional, it is simply adding the missing hindu temples from the BAPS sect of Swaminarayan Bugtograph (talk) 16:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 03:29, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You had already received two warnjngs, nevertheless, you continue. One more, and I'll request a block. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 03:31, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Was unaware of any warning until now, my apologies. Bugtograph (talk) 19:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:HON

Hey @Bugtograph - I reverted your last edit on the BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir Atlanta. Please refer to MOS:HON, which explains that honorific prefixes, like the ones you have added, should not be included in the text.

‎ RealPharmer3 (talk) 00:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, the stuff added were not honorific prefixes however titles. Exp: Pope Francis, you dont say "Francis" you say "Pope Francis", in the same way saying "Bhagwan" or "Shri" is equivilant to saying "Pope" in the hindu and swaminarayan faiths. Bugtograph (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Bugtograph -

I think you may be misunderstanding the policy. Please refer to WP:NCIN as well for clarification on naming convention.

This clearly outlines a list of honorifics that should be questioned (the list includes Shri and Bhagwan) and further states, "It is common in devotional texts to precede the name of deities (gods), and sometimes revered individuals with the English term 'lord', the Sanskrit 'sri' or other appellations. These should be omitted in Wikipedia articles and the simple name should be used; e.g. 'Krishna', not 'Sri Krishna', 'Lord Krishna' or other forms."

Additionally, I would like to add that Pope and the words you've inserted dont seem to equivalent. Terms like Bhagwan generally refer to a God and Shri is also an honorific used in Hinduism for deities. But, Wikipedia typically does not include honorifics in running text unless the subject is always referred to in that way in reliable English-language sources - like Pope perhaps, Mother Theresa, or Swami Vivekananda for example.

Hope that helps. RealPharmer3 (talk) 01:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bugtograph I reverted couple of your edits, but seems others have also reverted your other edits. Hindu faiths may be using such prefixes for their supreme deities, monks etc, but it's not encyclopedic. As noted here, reading Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Honorifics will help. Different traditions often uses different honorifics and it gets difficult/confusing to read. e.g. A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is commonly referred as Srila Prabhupada and that is mostly accepted based on the details in that policy - "Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found in English-language reliable sources without it, it should be included". Asteramellus (talk) 16:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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