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Crafangau, good luck, and have fun. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Crafangau Please stop changing British to Welsh ,It is post to say British not Welsh. Untamed1910 (talk) 00:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"supposed"? Crafangau (talk) 15:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welsh sources for Middle-earth

Hi, I've had to undo quite a bit of what you've just added to Middle-earth articles, for several reasons. The most immediate is simply that you have provided fragmentary citations with no page numbers, something that can probably be fixed easily enough (but more care is required). More serious, I'm afraid, is the uncritical acceptance of bold claims. For instance, the linkage between "Culhwch and Olwen" and Beren and Lúthien is a good deal more slippery than several enthusiastic critics have imagined; more experienced scholars like Tom Shippey have roundly criticised the too eager identification of small elements of one story in another as not proving anything. Tolkien gave a clear warning in "The monsters and the critics" that input materials could be extensively "boiled" – transformed – in the writing of a tale; and that since many folktales share similar elements (the disapproving father...), it can be difficult or impossible to disentangle what came from where. We editors therefore need to be rather careful in what we say, and it behoves us to find a selection of sources rather than hoping that the first one is actually correct. It's all very well to say that Mumblechops and Littleknown (2023) say that there is one point of resemblance between folktale A and Tolkien tale B, but that is a primary source; far better is to locate a reliable secondary source that discusses other research, or at least to find points of agreement between scholars if such a source isn't available. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the edits I did were formatting related, since the "Influences" section is rather messy.

The new citations that I did provide myself were scholarly and did include page numbers. The connection between "Culhwch and Olwen" and Beren and Lúthien does not come from an "enthusiastic critic" but rather Professor Carl Phelpstead of Cardiff University, in a book published by The University of Chicago Press and University of Wales Press.

If you disagree with that connection, wouldn't it be best to include it with a caveat, rather than dismiss the work entirely? Crafangau (talk) 16:54, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]