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Hey, just moving this here since your talk page is lonely. Anyway, what you've continued doing so far is the best way; use Kadduri's work until you can't squeeze any more out of it. If you start going through with another review at the same time, it's easy to get mixed up and miss out on some details.
Once you're absolutely finished with Kadduri's, a Google Books search is the next way to go. Brill Publishers has a ton of stuff on there for free, what you could do is run through with one more review after Kadduri's book. After that, with two sources instead of one, the article should be safe from being templated and you could publish it; that would bring more attention from interested editors who could help.
With the current length of the article, it will need some images. I can't help there as I really know nothing about all the copyright rules involved. What you're doing has been done for many classical works of Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu works of theology as well as classical works of Greek and Englightenment-era philosophy in addition to Chinese classics. It has never, however, been done with an Islamic book aside from the Qur'an. With that in mind, if you (and other concerned editors) do this right you could be looking at a GA nomination. It takes a lot of work but that's how these things tend to end up. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

User:MezzoMezzo, thanks indeed. I'm continuing to work on it, although I got a bit side-tracked by completely re-writing the fitna article. I'm a little nervous about just changing the whole thing, but I think I preserved the majority of what was worthwhile about the original, and improved it otherwise. So I just went ahead and posted my version as the new version, rather than leaving it as a subpage of my user page. Not sure about the etiquette of such things. I suspect I probably should've asked somebody first before making such wholesale changes. Hopefully I didn't screw up too badly. Dmvjjvmd (talk) 02:50, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Well being bold is what Wikipedia is all about, and if you cite well then it shouldn't be an issue. I am concerned about this removal by an IP address simply declaring the information to be "incorrect" despite several reliable citations. Do you think there's a way to work it back in? MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:24, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
MezzoMezzo: If by "the first verse of the Quran which mentions Fitna" the person meant the sequentially first verse, it's not. We're talking about 2:217, but fitna appears in 2:102, 2:191, and 2:193. If they meant chronologically, as in it was the first verse ever revealed to Muhammad about fitna (of any kind), I have no idea how they would establish that; their sources certainly don't. The information itself, regardless, comes from al-Wahidi's Asbab al-Nuzul (or maybe Tabari's tafsir, but I haven't seen it, and I don't know if Wahidi got it from Tabari). It's also reproduced in Tafsir Ibn Kathir and in abbreviated form in Tafsir al-Jalalayn), and they don't say anything about it being chronologically the first time fitna was ever mentioned in revelation. Rather, it was (purportedly) the first time a Muslim killed an idolater, took a prisoner, and the first time Muhammad took the fifth. So, aside from the bit about it being the first verse, I'm not sure the significance of that particular verse that would warrant complete asbab treatment. Dmvjjvmd (talk) 06:39, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I just wanted to thank you for the research and subsequent clarification you did regarding Suhrawardi. HamidRJ (talk) 16:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

HamidRJ, no problem. :) Dmvjjvmd (talk) 18:54, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

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