User talk:Freneticquaver

Welcome![edit]

Hello, Freneticquaver, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Council Child, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may not be retained.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Council Child[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Council Child requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notability[edit]

As reviewing administrator, rather than delete this page I have moved it to Draft:Council Child where you can work on it.

Wikipedia is quite selective about subjects: it does not set out to include every company or organization that exists, any more than every person or every record. The inclusion criterion is called Wikipedia:Notability, and is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by references showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Youtubee, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. The test is, have people not connected with the subject thought it significant enough to write substantial comment about? More explanation at Wikipedia:Notability (summary).

That has the advantage of being a more objective test than "Do we think it's important?" and also of ensuring that there are independent sources for the article. It is quite a tough test, and many worthy organizations, especially new ones, cannot pass it. That is not at all to their discredit, but it means they are not suitable subjects for a global encyclopedia. The test applies to non-commercial organizations and good causes, too - we have an explanatory essay entitled Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause.

The references in the article at present are Council Child's own website, links to its short films on Vimeo, two which are essentially directory listings, and an interview which is basically Ash Morris talking about himself and his work. That's not enough for notability. What is needed is some substantial comment about Council Child by someone independent of it.

It may well be that this is too early in Council Child's development for that to be available. In that case, it is too early for an article. Wikipedia is not a place for new organizations to announce themselves, and an article cannot be based only on what the subject says about itself: they only get covered after there is independent comment about them on which an independent article can be written. Here is good advice from an experienced Wikipedian:

"When writing about subjects that are close to you, don't use your own personal knowledge of the subject, and don't cite yourself, your web site, or the subject's web site. Instead, use what is written about the subject by other people, independently, as your sources. Cite those sources in your very first edit. If you don't have such sources, don't write."

I am sorry if this is discouraging, but all too often I see people wasting a lot of time and energy trying to make an article about a subject which is simply not yet notable in Wikipedia's sense. If the feature film is released and attracts comment and reviews, it is more likely that an acceptable article can be written at that point; but by all means add more references now if you can find them, and submit the draft for review. .

If you are connected with Council Child, please read the Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:24, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Response and Thanks[edit]

John, Thanks for taking the time to explain to me what needs to be done to warrant this article's inclusion in Wikipedia. I think once the feature film begins pre-production and the lead actors are announced more secondary sources about Council Child will surface. I will continue to edit the draft and will resubmit when I think it's ready for another appraisal. Again, thank you. Freneticquaver (talk) 20:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Council Child concern[edit]

Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:Council Child, a page you created, has not been edited in 5 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.

If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it.

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Thank you for your attention. HasteurBot (talk) 01:31, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Council Child[edit]

Hello, Freneticquaver. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Council Child".

In accordance with our policy that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}} or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. —MRD2014 T C 19:03, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]