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Your edit on List of countries by GDP (nominal)

Hello. Please don't make incorrect changes, as you did at List of countries by GDP (nominal), the article named Taiwan, China is about the name controversy as such, not about the country, which can be found at Taiwan (or via a redirect at Republic of China). Thank you. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 13:53, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Thomas.W: Sorry, I didn't realize the flag is named in a different way from what I thought. Thank you for taking care of the page. But seems you claimed that ROC is Taiwan and Taiwan is a state/country (correct me if I understand you wrongly). I think that is not correct. Please find the discussions on the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758, where Taiwan's last

President Ma Ying-jeou said, "The Republic of China is a sovereign country, and mainland China is part of our territory according to the Constitution. Therefore, our relations with the mainland are not international relations. It is a special relationship".

So far, Taiwan is not regarded as an independent state in UN. The so-called Republic of China is neither recognized as a UN member now. I understand that people have different opinions while editing/creating wiki pages, but I think at least we should quote those controversies for the readers' reference if there is a dispute. Thank you. I2000s (talk) 14:33, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have no personal opinion about it, but the name of the article reflects a consensus among editors on Wikipedia, which is what we go by. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 14:36, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Thomas.W: I will then leave a message on the talk page for people to judge later. Being consistent with other wikipedia pages doesn't mean it's correct. Since most people living in the mainland China and Taiwan island won't read and hence correct wiki pages written in English while know the fact better than most of English speakers, I think we should be more careful about writing it. If more reliable materials available, we shouldn't rely on other wikipedia pages before incorrect stuff becomes a standard and destroy the reputation of wikipedia. Just my thought here. I2000s (talk) 14:54, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are certain subject areas here on en-WP that one should stay out of, the name and status of Taiwan is one such area, other areas are Israel-Palestine relations, India-Pakistan relations and the status and future of Northern Ireland, to name just a few. Most if not all of them covered by discretionary sanctions. What articles in those areas say here, including what names are being used, has been worked out over many years by a large number of regular editors (including lots of people from both the PRC and Taiwan), and any attempt to change that balance is likely to get you into trouble, up to and including getting you blocked from editing. Just like many other editors before you... - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 15:06, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how this specific issue has been resolved if both "Republic of China" and "Taiwan" have been used in the form seemingly conflicting with the spirit of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758. But I definitely don't want to be nailed on editting this. So, I only left a comment on the talk page[1] for people who know this for sure to improve later. I2000s (talk) 15:42, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The United Nations have no say in what names are being used here, it's decided by what reliable sources say, and by what Wikipedia editors decide (based on Wikipedia policy, WP:NPOV for example). - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 16:11, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Thomas.W:Google firstly showed me this wiki page[2] where there is

In deference to the PRC's claim, the United Nations for official purposes calls the Taiwan Area "Taiwan, Province of China".

Then I went to the UN's website[3] and searched for "Taiwan" which gave me pages like this one[4] where it indeed always use "Taiwan, Province of China" as other search results. On the "United Nations General Assembly A/55/420"[5] dated on 2000-09-26, it says

The great majority of Member States of the United Nations have diplomatic relations with China and they have all acknowledged that there is only one China in the world, that the Government of the People’s Republic of China is the sole legal Government representing the whole of China and that Taiwan is an inseparable part of China.

Based on this reliable source, I think at least we shouldn't potentially mislead our readers to regard "Taiwan" as a country on pages like List of Countries by GDP. You can make your own judge for sure. I2000s (talk) 16:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As I told you above, the United Nations have no say here. Period. And I see no reason to continue this conversation, which was started only to inform you about how things work here. You are of course free to disregard the advice you have been given, but be prepared to pay the price for it. Over and out... - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 16:59, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think using "Taiwan" directly on that page seems a conflict with the UN's statement of "Taiwan is an inseparable part of China" in my opinion. In other words, the phrase "Taiwan" should go with "China" on the List of Countries of XX. The phrase "Republic of China" shouldn't be shown there for the same reason. This is not even consistent with the usage on the List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita page if it can be called as a convention. I am not asking you or any editors to change it as what I suggested here, but to only bring it up to the Talk section of the corresponding wiki page for people to think about it more carefully. How wiki pages evolve shouldn't make me pay any price if I don't edit it but might make a wide range of readers pay a price if no one thinks about it more carefully. This is solely out of my sense of responsibility to bring it up. Sorry if this bothered you in any sense. But I am not aiming at wasting your time if you don't want to participate more. Thank you. I2000s (talk) 17:15, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]