User talk:IntelOfficer911

October 2012

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Canadian Security Intelligence Service, you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. CharlieEchoTango (contact) 01:33, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the information you're adding is contradictory to what's already in the article. Given that, the burden is squarely on you to explain your changes and provide reliable sources to support your change. Probably the best route is to explain what you want to change at Talk:Canadian Security Intelligence Service and see if there's support for the change. —C.Fred (talk) 02:01, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please fred provided some exemples Some of the information you're adding is contradictory to what's already in the article IntelOfficer911 (talk) 02:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

According to the history section of the article, CSIS was created to separate intelligence-gathering from policing, yet you claim that CSIS and RCMP are both national intelligence services. —C.Fred (talk) 02:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You read wrong, I mentioned that the RCMP was a leader agency with CSIS on NATIONAL SECURITY MATTERS which is completly different from national intelligence gathering..... Under the Security Offences Act, the RCMP has primary investigative responsibility for offences related to terrorism and espionage. Please educate yourself on the matter before talking about contradictory commentsIntelOfficer911 (talk) 03:05, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The burden of proof rests on the editor making the change from the status quo. If you're going to claim shared jurisdiction, back it up with a reliable source. —C.Fred (talk) 03:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edits

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A few things

A few things in reponse to your questions;

First, and that is my main "disagreement" which led to the reverts, when you remove content from an article, you must explain why. You can't expect other editors to guess what you're trying to do. Edit summaries and talk pages are very useful for that purpose;
Second, and that's a factual contradiction in your edits as pointed above by C. Fred, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police is not an intelligence agency. It participates in the intelligence community and certainly has a role in the overall national security apparatus, but it does not alone investigate threats to Canada - this is the entire basis for the creation of CSIS, actually;
Third, and this applies to your edits on both the English and French Wikipedia, please have a look at the WP:Cheatsheet. Internal links are created with the [[ ]] brackets, not using parenthesis or boldface. It is useful to learn on wikicode before making changes so that others don't have to clean up after you. This also applies to your edits on the French Wikipedia - I had to completely rewrite your edits;
Fourth, re another edit on the French Wikipedia, CSIS does not collaborate only with American agencies, it maintains extensive relations with numerous agencies in allied countries just like its sister agencies, think of CSEC's Five Eyes for example. That edit, where again you removed and changed content without explanation, was simply wrong and has been undone accordingly.

As said before, the burden is on the editor making the changes to explain them - and to gain consensus on the matter if necessary. Editing Wikipedia is a privilege, not a right, and one can't just do as they please going around changing things without explanation. I left a welcome message below so that you can learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Regards, CharlieEchoTango (contact) 03:13, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In regard of your second point. CSIS does not alone investigate national security matters neither.... As a matter or fact, CSIS do not have any peace officer power (Power of arrest - detention) to complete their investigation which is why the RCMP has to take over. The entire basis of the creation of CSIS is mainly the exemption of the part 6 of the criminel code (invasion of privacy) which give them an easier access to detect threats to canada then police. This is why CSIS is a civilian agency... The RCMP and CSIS cannot succeed without each other. This is why I wrote that the RCMP was ALSO a leading agency in National Security matters. Again, you need to understand the difference between national security matters and intelligence agency. The RCMP has a wide range of national security-related mandates. National security criminal investigations, protective policing, border integrity, critical infrastructure protection, marine security, air carrier protection (Air marshal), critical incident management and a host of related support services. See also INSETS and NSESS.

In regard of you fourth point, the purpose was not to tell that CSIS only deal with the USA... but that your definition of sister agencies was wrong in the context.

However, i will get familiar with point 1 and 3

P.S: Do you work in the field?

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