User talk:Ivy.on.oak

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getting Cain and Annabelle "live[edit]

Hello Phantom Steve,

I've read and understand that you have to have the account for 4 days and have 10 edits before the page can go live. Is this true? If so, am I ready to go live with it after my 4 days? Thanks Steve Ivy.on.oak (talk) 17:15, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed that you moved it!![edit]

Thanks so much! That was fast. So is it live now then? Can I tell my friends to go look at it? Thanks Phantom Steve! Ivy.on.oak (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Cain and Annabelle is "live". I've also added it to a couple of relevant categories. You may see that there is a notice about notability. For an article to warrant inclusion on Wikipedia, it needs to meet the notability guidelines. The two newspaper articles are good, but they are "local" newspapers - and this is an international encyclopedia. They show that the group are notable in Tennessee, but not necessarily more widely.

I can see two problems:

the article does not make any particular claims to notability - why are Cain and Annabelle notable?
it does not appear to meet notability for music - the following is from Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles:

Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable. Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. The published works must be someone else writing about the musician, ensemble, composer, or lyricist. (See Wikipedia:Self published sources for details about the reliability of self-published sources, and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for treatment of promotional, vanity material.) The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself have actually considered the musician, ensemble, composer, or lyricist notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it. The rationale for this is easy to see – someone simply talking about themselves in their own personal blog, website, book publisher, etc. does not automatically mean they have sufficient attention in the world at large to be called notable. If that was so then everyone could have an article. Wikipedia is not a directory.
- This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries - What constitutes a "published work" is deliberately broad - except for the following:
  - Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves, and all advertising that mentions the musician or ensemble, including manufacturers' advertising. For example, endorsement deal publicity (including sell sheets, promo posters, fliers, print advertising and links to an official company website) that lists the artist as an endorser or contains an "endorsement interview" with the artist.
  - Works comprising merely trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories.
  - Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar) would generally be considered trivial but should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.
Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.
Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.
Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles.
Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.
Has won or placed in a major music competition.
Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article.)
Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.
Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network.

I have spent some time looking for evidence that it meets any of these criteria, but I have not been able to find any. Could you tell me (here) if Cain and Annabelle meet any of them? If not, then according to the criteria, they may not be notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia at this moment in time.

Please let me know if they do meet any of these criteria (and if so, where I can find verify this at independent, reliable sources) - if they don't, then I'm afraid that the article may need to be considered for deletion, unfortunately.

Let me know here if you have any information which will show their notability, or if you have any other questions. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 18:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

notability[edit]

I see. Well, the only one they may meet is being atop the local music scene. Aside from that, its just articles in local newspapers where they've played. Big cities included, but probably still unnotable i guess. If the article goes for deletion, will I still be able to save the work I'm doing on it and if these criterion are met one day, make it live then? Thanks Phantom Steve

Speedy deletion nomination of Artemus James[edit]

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Removing Speedy at Artemus James[edit]

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Late reply to your query![edit]

Sorry for the delay - between work and family, it's been very busy!

I see that the Speedy deletion of Artemus James was rightly declined, so I do not need to help you here! A good job, really!

Seriously, although I am busy (I work 3 days, 3 nights and then 3 off, each shift is 12 hours + the travelling involved) I do try to get on here as often as possible, so please do contact me if there is anything I can help you with.

Regards, PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 22:45, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File permission problem with File:Cain and annabelle 2009.jpg[edit]

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Valley Young concern[edit]

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Your article submission Valley Young[edit]

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Rankersbo (talk) 15:26, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]