User talk:JRS7.2

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I noticed that one of the first articles you edited was Stonegate Pub Company, which appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

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Hi Nat

I have updated facts only on this page. It was very out of date and misrepresented the company.

All facts have been cited and hyperlinks provided where possible.

Please keep my amends.

Joanne JRS7.2 (talk) 13:22, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Joanne: Your edit are very much in line with those recently placed into the article by accounts associating themselves with a PR firm. If you are paid by Stonegate, by Leisure PR, or by any other firm hired by Stonegate for such matters, you are require to go through the steps listed as WP:PAID to identify yourself as a paid editor before you do any further editing. And if you were such a worker, you are to be highly discouraged from editing the article yourself; it is recommended that you edit Talk:Stonegate Pub Company, placing requested edits there so that they can be reviewed by other editors and incorporated should they be deemed appropriate. I know that this may seem like a cumbersome extra layer of effort, but folks seeking to use Wikipedia as a promotional venue are a big challenge to Wikipedia's goal of being an encyclopedia. A lot of good can be done on the Talk page by pointing to new stories and updated information.

What edits you do make are subject to review by other editors for accuracy, reliability, import, and tone (among other concerns); that's true for everyone's edits.

This may all seem inconvenient, but Wikipedia is a large project that depends on a variety of procedures and standards to maintain what it has achieved, imperfect as that may be. --Nat Gertler (talk) 13:44, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please can you help then, since you are an editor? Please can you update the facts? JRS7.2 (talk) 13:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am not undoing everything you've done, Joanne. (Editing it, yes, undoing it all, no.) Please make any appropriate WP:PAID declarations now (even if you intend to do no further editing - and yes, even just this editing as your talk page counts as editing - it is still required), and place any further editing requests on Talk:Stonegate Pub Company. I don't guarantee that I will review them; I edit on a volunteer basis, and life is full and subject to change. However, I am not the only editor watching that page.

If you have specific questions about editing Wikipedia in general, feel free to leave them at my talk page (you'll find a link at the end of this message.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nat - didn’t mean to cause any offence, just asking for some help. I know you are a volunteer but you are there to support the curation of Wikipedia pages. We all want the same thing - correct facts and information on Wikipedia. JRS7.2 (talk) 16:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything more I can do to correct the information? I have followed all your advice, but still not making any progress. JRS7.2 (talk) 16:10, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not clear what you think needs correcting, in that at the moment, basically all of the information that you added to the article under your current username remains in place. The only changes that I've done since your last edit were to simplify some phrasing, consolidate different pointers to the same reference, correct some punctuation placement, and to flag the descriptor of "largest" as vague, because there are differing metrics that one can use to claim "size" of such a corporation, and it is not clear from the source which metric is being used.

As for the idea that we all want the same thing, I doubt that we actually do. Certainly, in my experience dealing with PR professionals seeking to involve themselves in pages, they want a positive presentation of choice facts, whereas the goal of Wikipedia editing is neutral presentation of relevant, verifiable information. These goals do often overlap, but they are not the same.

When you do post material to Talk:Stonegate Pub Company, be patient. It looks like there was about half an hour between when you posted to the Talk page and when you complained about "not making any progress" here. The volunteer editors are generally not doing this full time, and are often not on the same clock as you (I'm eight time zones away from where you presumably are.) Generally speaking, what you're doing is not so much correcting errors or asking for removal of misinformation as it is updating of information; not 100% up to date is not that big a problem.

Thank you for posting your Paid notices! --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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