User talk:Jcalardo1981

Dirty Radio

Firstly, "Emerging Canadian Artists" is not a notable chart that passes WP:NMUSIC criterion #2 — an artist or band is not automatically notable just for appearing on it, because it simply isn't a chart that has any commercial or cultural significance. The Hot 100 would count; "Emerging Canadian Artists" does not. Strictly speaking, however, it isn't actually necessary for a band to have had any charting hits at all, which I'll get to in my next point — but if you're going to assert that they're notable because they've had a charting hit, then it's certainly necessary for the chart itself to be notable enough to count in the first place.

Secondly, the article as written failed to meet the most important criterion under WP:NMUSIC, namely #1: Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself. The article cited no independent reliable sources (music magazines, newspaper articles, radio coverage, etc.), but only a repost of their own marketing bio on a festival website. A band can be notable without charting hits if they've gotten real coverage in real media — and a band can have a top ten hit and still be non-notable, if the article can't be referenced to legitimate sources (for example, there are numerous countries whose pop charts are completely useless for our needs, because they rely on unreliable or unverifiable methodologies that aren't IFPI-certified.)

And most importantly, you also need to familiarize yourself with our conflict of interest policy: if you have a personal involvement with the band's career (which I have to assume you do, given the fact that your registered username on here closely resembles another act that was named in the original article), then you cannot be the primary author of a Wikipedia article about it. If and when somebody independent of the band writes a legitimately keepable, properly sourced article, then you're certainly free to correct errors and factual inaccuracies if any crop up — but you're not free to post the band's EPK on here as a substitute for an article that actually meets our rules. Bearcat (talk) 05:51, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored the page to your userspace for improvement; it's at User:Heratixmusic/Dirty Radio. I get the impression that you've put some effort into tracking down stronger sources, so I'm confident that you'll be able to get it up to keepable status — and if you need any clarification or assistance, please do feel free to contact me or any other experienced editor of your choice. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 21:17, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And just to clarify, I'm not saying that "Emerging Canadian Artists" isn't notable enough to warrant mention at all — it's pretty much the same as the Billboard Top Heatseekers chart, so it certainly warrants mention if that's done as part of a properly written article. But it's not notable enough to be the only claim of notability present in an article that's otherwise sourced exclusively to the band's own marketing materials, because even the chart itself doesn't convey any meaningful information about the band; it just lists their name.

The one absolute "notability" criterion that every article on Wikipedia ultimately has to meet above any other is the one about has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself — if there are radio interviews, newspaper or magazine articles, etc., that you can cite, then that's the real ticket to a keepable article, because the ability to cite real reliable sources is ultimately much more important than simply asserting that they meet one or more items on a checklist of achievements.

For the record, you're right that we deprecate linking to YouTube as a source — but in fact, we don't actually require a direct link to the content at all. It's perfectly acceptable to just provide a text-only citation (e.g. "Interview on CJKJ-FM, March 2, 2012.") as a reference without linking to an audio copy of that interview. We certainly like to provide links to web versions of reference content when possible, but that's a nice bonus, not a requirement — so you can still cite the radio interview regardless of whether there's a linkable copy of it available somewhere besides YouTube or not. Bearcat (talk) 21:48, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In response to your feedback

Hi Heratixmusic. Thank you for leaving feedback. I think Bearcat has pretty much covered the reasons for deletion above. However, if you'd like to have another go at creating an article, I would recommend doing so either via Articles for Creation (which will allow other editors to review the article and comment on it before it goes to mainspace) or by creating it in your personal sandbox (click the redlink and edit the page to create one) and then asking me or another editor to check it for you. Do bear in mind the conflict of interest guidelines, though.

If you need any help, feel free to ask on my talkpage or at the helpdesk.

Yunshui 雲‍水 07:15, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Yunshui 雲‍水 22:27, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Username

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that the username you have chosen (Heratixmusic) seems to imply that you are editing on behalf of a group, company or website.

There are two issues with this:

It is possible that you have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, you must exercise great caution when editing on topics related to your organization or adding links to its website.
Your account cannot represent a group of people. You may wish to create a new account with a username that represents only you. Alternatively, you may consider changing your username to avoid giving the impression that your personal account is being used for promotional purposes.

Regardless of whether you change your name or create a new account, you are not exempted from the guidelines concerning editing where you have a conflict of interest. For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. The article in question is Dirty Radio. Thank you. --Drm310 (talk) 16:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]