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Nomination of Jesse Agler for deletion

A nomination is taking place as to whether Jesse Agler should be deleted or not. The discussion is held at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesse Agler and everyone is welcome to join in on the discussion. However do not remove the AfD notice on top. WisconsinBoyClevelandRocks228844 (talk) 22:15, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Illyrian Swimming Association (2)

I do not even understand what you are trying to communicate; it doesn't make any sense. I followed all the fundamentals rules of posting an article. I created a 501(c)3 Organization; Recognized and established. I opened up my own website for it. I also opened up a page on Wikipedia for it. Now you are trying to confuse the situation with technical bureaucratically lingo on the basis of copyright laws of Wikipedia in a means to hide your mistake??? You sir, have made a mistake and very un-professional on how you dealt with the matters. I disagree with it completely and will be filing a complaint with wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyrianDodona (talk • contribs) 23:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

That's quite an idea. Exactly how do you expect to file a complaint? On what grounds could you complain? You've just established that you have a conflict of interest, so you might be prohibited from creating an article about your own organization. Regardless, this is an encyclopedia, not a means for advertisement and the article in question was deleted because it's not notable enough. But please pursue filing some kind of complaint. I think this process will be educational. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:21, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

ISA

Your condescending remarks about the "complaint" are unappreciative and un-professional Mr. Troutman. Just as you stated, this is an encyclopedia. I gave information about a non-profit sport swimming org in order to increase awareness about a sport in a transitional country that relies heavily on its diaspora to represent it at an international level.Therefore it becomes necessary I cover multiple means of mediums to spread out information. I'm not selling anything therefore my intentions are not to advertise anything.

Furthermore, If you are going to place yourself in a precarious position where you pretentiously attempt to edit/modify articles, I recommend you focus on the other thousands of articles that are completely useless, bias, and break the rules and regulations of wikipedia.

Additionally, your initial statement about my article was that it was taking from another sources and it infringed upon copyright rules. I gave you an explanation that I created the the ORG and the website where I got the information which was placed on the wiki article. Yet you still allowed my article to be shutdown and gave a poor "politician's excuse" that eluded the initial reasoning of the shutdown of the article. Now you give me different justifications. Okay Mr. Troutman, I do appreciate the assistance to cite MORE notable sources. If you do go to my website ( www.illyrianswim.org), you will notice that the ORG has been talked about in various articles that have been published in Balkan sport newsletters. Regardless of these fact, thank you for wasting my time by juvenile means of "jibbing" back and forth about an issue that should have never occurred if you would have been more attentive to my explanation and simmer down your "god complex" when it comes to editing/modifying wiki articles. In the mean time, I will state more notable sources as an ORG when I reopen the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyrianDodona (talk • contribs) 20:18, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

It's unfortunate you see it that way. No one here is getting paid so there's no reason you should expect us to be professional. You threatened a fellow editor with "filing a complaint" and I recommended that you do so, if only for you to learn about how Wikipedia works. Please feel free to report me at the administrator noticeboard. If you're not willing to learn and follow Wikipedia guidelines, maybe wiki is not for you. Be content with your own website that you already have.

Because I'm willing to help, let me outline the steps (beyond reporting me) you should take:

1. Read WP:CREATE. This article helps describe how to write an article.
2. Build your proposed article at your sandbox. No one will interfere with what you create in your sandbox, giving you time to work on it. You'll note that your sandbox starts with a link to WP:AFC, which will review your article when you're ready.
3. WP:NONPROFIT addresses the requirements for notability for your organization. Find the newsletter articles you've mentioned as well as other independent reporting to reference all the content in your article. Wikipedia is not here for you to "raise awareness." Wikipedia decides what content it should have, and you have to convince other editors your article should be allowed to stay.
4. You stated that you have a conflict of interest (e.g., you created the organization that the article is about). This is a potentially fatal defect. To help solve that problem, leave messages at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albania. Interested editors that watch those talk pages might be able to pitch in and help defray the perception that your proposed article is slanted.
5. Rather than continue to direct your comments at User:Josve05a, take your concerns to Wikipedia:Teahouse. There are very experienced editors that are actively volunteering to help new editors.

If you follow these steps, I think you have a chance of being successful. In the meantime, visit the teahouse or consider joining one of the WikiProjects I mentioned and learn from those editors how to interact on Wikipedia. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:45, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I just removed

your "Orphan" tag from Liz Lands. I wrote that stub yesterday because I discovered that she was mentioned in half a dozen articles, but had no article of her own. Something you could have discovered by searching for her name. However I add links in all I could find before removing your tag. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 03:29, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Cite Journal

Hello Josve05a—I noticed you recently made some changes to Blackford County, Indiana that mostly changed "Cite Document" to "Cite Journal". Some of the documents that you now call journals are National Register of Historic Places Nomination forms, which are not journals. I don't think WorldCat is calling them journals either. You have also changed a historical society's one-page list of ghost towns from a document to a journal. Is Wikipedia discontinuing "Cite Document"? What is the reason for replacing Cite Document with Cite Journal? If Cite Document should not be used, I would like to know—so I don't use it in the future. TwoScars (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

{{Cite document}} is a redirect to {{Cite journal}} and have been ever since 2010. So everything is the same. It is no differens, if you use one or the other. -(t) Josve05a (c) 22:32, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

The wrong edit

Sorry for the inconvinience. In fact, I don't remember editing in this specific page. Again my apologies and thanks for the help and the advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.242.130.78 (talk) 08:38, 9 July 2013‎ (UTC)