User talk:Keresaspa/Archive 12

Am I glad to see you back!!!!

I have finally discovered via a blog who the elusive UVF "Craftsman" was. He was Jim McDonald, Bunter's second-in-command on the Brigade Staff. He had been a UVF member since its formation in the 1960s. He died in 2009 and was replaced by Harry Stockman. Like you said the real big players never got the publicity.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:57, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

He's the last name I would have thought of to be honest. He gets a couple of passing mentions as a PUP negotiator in the books with no biographical details whatsoever. Keresaspa (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh and I was off here because my computer was over in England getting patched up by my sister's boyfriend who is a bit of a Mr Fixit when it comes to these things. He's done a bloody good job whatever he did, it's working better than ever. Keresaspa (talk) 19:41, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I was worried you'd be away for a long time. Glad to have you back. Isn't that typical of the big fish like Jim McDonald? They hardly ever get netted by the journalists. Same with Artie Fee and Norman Sayers.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I dip in and out these days as I can't always be bothered any more. My last big involvement about NI was my edits to Raymond McCord's article from his book. He's an odd fellow. I have some thoughts about him but BLP and all that crap means I have to keep them to myself. Fee's in Bruce's the Red Hand in passing and Sayers turns up in the press from time to time. I've never even looked for McDonald personally as nearly everything about Jim McDonald and Northern Ireland would be about Coronation Street! All those sort of names would turn up from time to time in the Sunday World and/or Life but both papers have a bit of a reputation for making it up as they go along unfortunately. Keresaspa (talk) 20:44, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I just came upon another name of a former senior UVF commander from East Belfast by the name of Jim Magee. Ever heard of him? I saw him in a photo standing beside Kem Gibson and close to Paisley during the UWC strike in 1974. Interesting.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:27, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

This one you mean. Well, he's just a face in the crowd there really and Paisley had no problem working with paramilitaries in those days. Keresaspa (talk) 19:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Well I see someone decided to remove the "cruft" from my Anne Ogilby article. Well Wikipedia can kiss its arse if it wants another article from me. Fuck this place and most of the cunts who lurk about. Keresaspa a pity most Wikipedians aren't as gentlemanly as you and DColt are.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:19, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I see that; how rude. The edits he or she made aren't that extensive but there is no need to be nasty in an edit summary like that when the grand old made-up word "copyedit" exists to cover any rephrasing or the like. Given that "cruft" is supposed to mean fan stuff what is the editor suggesting - that you're a fan of the UDA, murder or something else? It's a nonsense edit summary in that context. Keresaspa (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The editor in question has since sent me a concilliatory message. Editors need to be careful in their edit summaries. I always use the word "tweak" as that does not give offence. Some of these on-line forums are very interesting re info on UVF Brigade Staff, etc although naturally they cannot be sourced. I find a lot of info. That photo contains some familiar faces. I wonder if Jim Magee was the commander Joe Tiernan mentioned in his book? What do you think of Henry McDonald, the journalist?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:31, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Let it go then, it's not worth getting annoyed about. I don't trust forums personally. Some stuff on them is true but there is a lot of people who know nothing just shooting off their mouths claiming to know a lot more than they do. As such you can never really be sure what is legit and what is bulldink. This might have passed you by in Italy but every forum and blog in the British isles named this guy as a nonce about a month ago and it turned out to be rubbish. Now I can't stand the guy in question but putting that name on somebody when they're not guilty is wrong but according to the internet he was. Things like that rightly make them unreliable sources. As for McDonald I think he's decent enough as he doesn't sit on the fence as much as Taylor but doesn't make things up embellish as much as Dillon. He jumps to conclusions from limited evidence occasionally but I suppose he doesn't claim to be an academic and that is a general weakness of journalism as a whole (although conversely the obsession with proving everything through theories at the expense of common sense interpretation is a weakness of academic literature so it has it's good and bad side). Mind you. he's a lot better on the UDA than he is on the UVF. Bit like me really :D Keresaspa (talk) 20:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

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Seasons greetings

Merry Christmas to you and yours. I plan to do more editing in the coming new year.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:53, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Same to you and yours. I'm on and off here these days - a mixture of real life business and a lack of motivation - although the recent flag protest crap has robbed me of my desire to even think about loyalists, much less edit articles about them. Keresaspa (talk) 16:44, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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The Tavern was an Elvis theme bar....

Sorry to go all the way back to May but I came across your archived discussion about the Tavern Bar and its imposing appearance. I went into the Tavern a number of times, it was actually a pretty ordinary sort of place, an Elvis themed bar with a pool table and a few Celtic pictures. Many of the clientele were auld boys refused another drink in McElhatton's (so they were really pretty past it). Despite its forbidding exterior it was a welcoming place and very cheap too, £2.50 or thereabouts for a pint. Elvis has now left the building however and the bar has been re-opened with a folk club upstairs. The cage is being kept for old times' sake. Funnily enough when they were removing one of the big pictures of Elvis from behind the bar, they discovered on the wall behind it... another Elvis picture.. I know, scary.... Djewesbury (talk) 12:46, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Refused another at McElhatton's? They must have stocious alright :D Tavern was locked with a noticed about an expired booze licence on the door the last time I passed it, has it reopened? Keresaspa (talk) 20:29, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Hans Severus Ziegler

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Nice to see you back

I'm glad your self-imposed retirement did not last long!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:52, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I don't suppose I'll ever actually retire as I do get the notion from time to time but I don't think my heart's in it much these days. Oddly enough, unlike any of my previous sulks, there's no specific reason for it this time, I just can't reallybe bothered as much as I used to. Keresaspa (talk) 19:39, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I know the feeling; I believe it's called burn-out. You just cannot find the inspiration to edit articles. Hopefully, I'll become inspired again to create new pages.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:34, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I've been feeling this way for a while, and I suppose the novelty wears off everything eventually. Given that we're all here by our volition it should never be a chore but recently it has felt like it is. Keresaspa (talk) 19:30, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Northern Ireland's Comical Ali

You beat me at the finishing line for updating the edit for Willie Frazer's latest bizarre statement, but I am more than happy to congratulate you for doing it before anyone else.Simply because the world must know of the comedy genius that is Willie Frazer.I was actually laughing so much I was in pain.Please Willie don't ever change, you keep everyone in Northern Ireland regardless of their political belief entertained!DColt (talk) 19:51, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

"DColt" should certainly have had first shot at that. Brocach (talk) 20:06, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

You do have to wonder about the man's mental state at times, don't you?! I'm surprised he didn't tell us the IRA was somehow to blame for the recent snow :D Keresaspa (talk) 20:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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e-mail

Hi Kerasaspa, if you'd be kind enough to enable e-mail temporarily at your user preferences, I'd like to send you a very brief message which you can ignore if not interested. Brocach (talk) 20:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

• OK, e-mail now available. Keresaspa (talk) 23:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Done, take the link down if you want. Thx Brocach (talk) 00:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
    • I'll get back to you about the e-mail. My time's not my own at the minute but I will be in touch. Keresaspa (talk) 19:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
      • No rush. Thanks. Brocach (talk) 20:33, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Arnold Meijer

Hi there. All sources in Dutch that I have found about Meijer agree that he never returned to politics after the war. I haven't found a source that says he wrote for Lutkie's Aristo which, so it seems, had become more of a catholic literary magazine after its refounding anyway. I only found sources that say he stayed in touch with Lutkie and some of his sympathizers. I don't think either counts as political activity ayway. Meijer by that time had a full-time job running a hotel in Oisterwijk. Fnorp (talk) 09:24, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

The source I'm using is the one in the reference given in the article (Rees's dictionary) and the exact sentence he uses is "[Meijer] continued to be involved in political activities with the Lutkie circle around the resurrected Aristo journal". He certainly didn't get involved in party politics but there is a lot more to politics than just political parties. His role as a hotelier probably merits a sentence or two as well though but I'll leave that you to decide as my source only mentions it in passing without any detail. Keresaspa (talk) 19:27, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

I've added a sentence to the effect that he was not involved in party politics after the war. Keresaspa (talk) 19:49, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Jamie Bryson

Hi - thought you might be interested to know I've started a brief article on Jamie Bryson. I'm being cautious on what it says as not only is he very much alive, but he's currently in custody and has been charged. Warofdreams talk 16:22, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks good. Like you say definitely the sort of one you would need to careful with. I'll see if I can dig anything up worth adding but my activity on here is down these days as I'm very busy in RL right now. Keresaspa (talk) 16:48, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes excellent work Warofdreams. I added a few minor stuff. I was hoping someone would create a page for him as I'd wikilinked his name earlier.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:58, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Jeanne, can you stick a citation on the date of birth? Cheers :) Keresaspa (talk) 02:20, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I came across it yesterday while Googling but cannot find it today. I will remove the date until I can locate the source. I should have copied the link.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:30, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

No probs. Keresaspa (talk) 20:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Nice additions, thank you both! Warofdreams talk 14:49, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

What she said :) Keresaspa (talk) 19:37, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

New user throwing his/her weight around

Beware of Shipyard Special. He arrived at Wikipedia two months ago and is already challenging my sources on the Robin Jackson article and has removed stuff on the John Graham page. He looks like trouble. What's more I have an idea he may be using the sock Prairie-five-oh.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:20, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

He/she/it appears to be a loyalist judging by their edits so he/she/it is bound to fall afoul of the republican group of editors sooner or later. Good luck to him/her/it when they do! Keresaspa (talk) 20:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm a Deviant

I just signed on to DeviantArt. Great suggestion!!!! Thanks a million.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:37, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Far easier all round, trust me. There's a lot of kids on there but you have basically a free hand. Same name as here if you want to add me BTW. Keresaspa (talk) 18:14, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I also used the name Jeanne Boleyn.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:29, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Ken Gibson

Is this man dead or alive?Reading his page it indicates he is presumed dead, but there is no mention of the date or circumstances surrounding his death.Strange? DColt (talk) 14:06, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I have not been able to discover anything on his status. I really don't know if he's alive or dead. He seems to have faded from public view.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:18, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

It just looks a bit disjointed on his article.The reader from reading his article woud assume he is dead but the category "living people" is used. DColt (talk) 18:54, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

No clue myself. Putting him in the Category:Possibly living people and removing the reference to his death would be a solution I suppose. Keresaspa (talk) 19:39, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I can't say I have ever heard too much about him.If he was dead I would expected a little bit about him to appear in The Belfast Telegraph or perhaps Sunday World.My only worry is though, the facist police patrolling Wikipedia will remove his image as he is not officaly dead. DColt (talk) 20:11, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Good point, hadn't thought about that. I had a look at the edit history of the article and it was User:Daicaregos who added the template to the article, including listing him as dead. Not a user I know personally but maybe he could tell us what's what. Keresaspa (talk) 00:07, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I have often worked with Datcaregos, excellent editor and it was he who helped me get the Miami Showband killings article up to GA class. I would say he mistakenly added him as dead. Good point about the fascist Wiki police. Thye seem hell-bent on undoing everything that we have worked so hard to build over the years. Ill use my HghBean account (it's due to expire in May) to see if I can find a mention of him. He would be well over 70 by now if he were alive.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:00, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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Celtic F.C. fans

I spied Sean Connery on the list without a reference.I think he was the product of a mixed relationship but identifies with Catholicism.Not 100% though.Anyway I could have swore I read something before somewhere, that he was great friends with former Rangers owner David Murray and on that account was a fan of Rangers. DColt (talk) 18:43, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

I was always under the impression that he was a Ger myself and that it was because of his friendship with David Murray. That's the case but apparently back in the 60s he was a Celtic fan and switched. There is an interview with him about it here which annoyingly is now behind a paywall (like Rupert Murdoch needs even more money!) but from the small bit that's still available you can get the gist of it - he just likes to support the winners. I've even seen Hibs supporters claiming he once supported them or even Hearts! Mind you apparently Bruce Forsyth supports Arsenal and Spurs so maybe it's just a very old celebrity thing! Keresaspa (talk) 19:07, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Another possible one for the list

Hey, Keresaspa, please see if you can find a source for this guy in a book: Werner Grothmann (I know you might have already tried with him). Thanks!Hoops gza (talk) 04:25, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

He's not listed in the NSDAP category on the German Wikipedia so he probably is not, but who knows.Hoops gza (talk) 04:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I've not been able to find anything to confirm his membership. I'll keep looking as it seems inconceivable that Himmler's personal adjutant would not be a Nazi Party member but pinpointing an exact reference is proving tough. I notice on the German Wikipedia a Nazi Party membership number is not listed in his article and they're very good at including those normally so maybe he wasn't but I'll keep looking in case. Keresaspa (talk) 18:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)