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Your submission at Articles for creation: Lazar Cherikover (July 29)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Hoary was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Fascinating, but unreferenced. Yes, it has "references", but these aren't references; they're instead notes, in particular (unreferenced!) objections to allegedly false assertions made by others. What reliable source backs up each part of this? (And no, "The Archive of the Cherikover family" is completely unsatisfactory. Specific, idenfifiable items within archives (held by a specified university library or similar) that are open to qualified scholars might be acceptable for particular kinds of assertions, but that's all.)

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Hoary (talk) 00:28, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Mr Hoary! As I've already mentioned in my previous letter, it is still rather hard for me to make it clear what kind of reliable source you need in order to verify the information that was put in my article. Please don't consider it to be a hard job for you and help me to fulfil the task. Please read my previous letter addressed to you and your colleague Mr Greenman. L. Likalter (talk) 18:28, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, L. Likalter! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Hoary (talk) 00:28, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Lazar Cherikover (August 23)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Greenman was:

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Previous concerns with lack of inline referencing not addressed.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Lazar Cherikover and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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Greenman (talk) 20:47, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

to my Editors

Dear Mr Hoary and Mr Greenman!

Thank you for editing my article! It's a pity that it was declined by Mr Greenman for the second time because it seemed to me that I'd taken into consideration the first piece of advice that was offered by Mr Hoary and did my best to correct the mistakes. It is obviously that I'm not experienced enough in creating Wikipedia articles and need your help to fix all that is "out of joint". I've read all the instructions that were mentioned but failed... Would you be so kind to tell me what in particular should be corrected or added? L. Likalter (talk) 16:39, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello; I'm sorry to say that I've only just now noticed this. Yes, you did indeed fix various problems after I pointed them out. But a lot remains unreferenced. As an example, Under the leadership of Lazar Z. Cherikoverwas carried out in theory the calculation of the minimally acceptable ergonomic parameters of the living space which is “necessary for the Soviet person”. The results of theoretical studies were practically used in the design of small apartments for mass construction in accordance with the decisions of the Communist Party and the Soviet government. Alas, the minimum allowable in theory^[5] was accepted as the norm in practice. That "^[5]" doesn't look like a reference, and indeed it isn't one. Why should the reader believe any of this? And this is just a paragraph that I plucked out at random.

Here's another sample: "He studied at the Poltava gymnasium". The link works, but the method of making it is frowned on. Here's what you should do instead: "He studied at the Poltava gymnasium [ru; uk]". Your version is frowned on not because it doesn't offer the Ukrainian-language version (although offering this is definitely a plus), but because "inline" links that go anywhere outside en:Wikipedia aren't welcome (unless, of course, they're within references, lists titled "External links", or a few other exceptions that we needn't go into here).

A tip: Avoid the title "Creative biography". I suppose that you intended this to mean "Biography as a creator" or similar, and it certainly can have this meaning. However, the rushed reviewer may misinterpret it as "Biography in which one or more Wikipedia editors have indulged their creativity". No!

Apologies again for the late response, and I hope that this helps you with your work on what is an unusually interesting draft. [Also pinging Greenman.] -- Hoary (talk) 23:59, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Hoary! Thank you for the thorough and detailed reply. I've read it carefully and will try my best to enhance my article. L. Likalter (talk) 17:54, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

L. Likalter, a couple more matters. In Alas, the minimum allowable in theory^[5] was accepted as the norm in practice, the most obvious interpretation of "alas" is "The person(s) who wrote this Wikipedia article regret(s) that". Most Wikipedia editors have strong opinions (of regret, anger, etc), but they're supposed to keep them in check when writing articles. Unless it's clearly labelled as quoted from somewhere, "alas" is out of place in any article. Secondly, when I post this message, you're automatically alerted because I post it on your talk page; but when you post a message here to (as an example) me, I'm only alerted if you simultaneously (i) use any one among [[User:Hoary|Hoary]], {{U|Hoary}}, {{Ping|Hoary}}, {{Reply to|Hoary}}, and {{To|Hoary}}, and (ii) add other text, and (iii) sign and date the message using ~~~~. -- Hoary (talk) 22:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Lazar Cherikover

Hello, L. Likalter. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Lazar Cherikover".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗plicit 12:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]