User talk:Nigelpwsmith

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Hi – some of the references you're citing have only minor references to the subject, when alongside, you've also cited references with major references which also include the former. I've commented out one example here. This is making it more difficult to research the subject than need otherwise be because, in the above example, the latter article contains all the relevent details. Please can you remove the duplicates ? Thanks -- John (Daytona2 · talk) 12:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This also applies to the Serious Fraud Office (UK) and Langbar International as well as the aforementioned Alternative Investment Market article because the same text is used. -- John (Daytona2 · talk) 17:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean by remove the other references. Do you mean that I should only quote a limited number of newspaper articles about the subject? or do you mean that I should shorten the items that reference the Langbar International case in such articles as Alternative Investment Market, Serious Fraud Office and Barry Townsley?

Please let me know the best way to resolve this problem. (Nigelpwsmith (talk) 18:24, 26 December 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Hi Nigel, apologies for the delay. I see that this has been resolved in any case, but to answer your question, it's the quantity of references you're citing that don't add any more support to the statement/s than is provided by a smaller number. You only need to cite one reference for each individual point and if one reference covers many points (in my terminology above, a major reference), so much the better ! -- John (Daytona2 · talk · contribs) 21:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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You seem to having some difficulties complying with Wikipedia's polices on using copyrighted material. You were notified on November 19th that an editor had detected that the article text was copied from another website. Policy requires only seven days before copyright infringing material can be deleted, so you were actually given considerably more time than usual. Please understand that we do this in order to protect the copyrights of authors who do not wish their work submitted to Wikipedia, and do not mean to inconvenience those who do.

On Talk:Langbar International, you were advised twice of the proper procedure for releasing copyrighted material but you don't appear to have followed those instructions. Again, in order to accept into Wikipedia content which is published on another website, we usually require a clear statement from the author of the content that the content is being licensed under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) (see http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html, or GNU_Free_Documentation_License). This statement must come from an email address that we can clearly recognize as being from the operator of the website, or be in reply to a message sent to the operator of the website. This email should be sent to permissions@wikimedia.org. If you did send an email confirming your release of the text, please let me know what email address you sent it from and I will be happy to look up the request for you.

The article can be easily undeleted as soon as confirmation is verified. By the way, this also applies for the images you are uploading and claiming to own the copyright to -- you may use the same procedure to release them under a free license and have them undeleted as well. You may also want to take a stroll through Wikipedia's policies to avoid running afoul of any further guidelines. For instance, threatening Wikipedia/other editors with the media is poor form and further behavior along those lines may lead to your account being sanctioned. Editors here will be happy to help you learn your way around, no strings attached.

If there's anything more I can clarify, please feel free to drop me a line. Shell ^babelfish 05:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I have verified receipt of the email. Both the article and the image noted in the email have been restored and are now marked as having their copyright release confirmed. If I can do anything further to help, please let me know. Shell ^babelfish 16:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately since anyone can edit the policies too, they become very bloated over time and can be difficult to navigate. To sum it up, the idea is to collaboratively write an encyclopedia -- the most important points are: always work with others civilly, provide quality references and write articles from a point of view that doesn't include bias or promotion. Also, Wikipedia:Five pillars gives a good overview of the policies without all the mud :)

You're welcome to leave me a message any time you have a question. Shell ^babelfish 17:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for resolving the copyright issue. I will attach a license to any further articles to ensure that they do not cause any problems. (Nigelpwsmith (talk) 18:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC))[reply]

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Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thank you. -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 15:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I've ask the Conflict Of Interest Noticeboard to review your edits for compliance - Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Langbar_International.2C_Barry_Townsley.2C_Serious_Fraud_Office_.28UK.29.2C_Alternative_Investment_Market -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 16:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Your additions and suggestions have no credibility and are unsubstantiated.

You have stated on the Arana-Southern Treaty that it was derogated. There is no proof from the British Government that this treaty was derogated. In fact the treaty still stands and was added to Wikisource from the British Government papers as published by the Foreign & Commonwealth Office, Volume 37.

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Copyvio

Nigel,

Copyright violations are something to be avoided. You really should not copy tracts of text wholesale but write it in your own words citing the original as a source. Drop me a line if you need help. Wee Curry Monster talk 21:01, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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External links

I have began a discussion about the external links at Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard#Arana-Southern Treaty Cambalachero (talk) 18:23, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bougainville's worries

Hi Nigel, I imagine you have put a lot of effort in linking and formatting the reference, so I want to apologize for having to delete it.

The problem is that R. Laver writes about the details of how Bougainville transferred the colony, but he doesn't argue that "the title ceded to the Spanish by France in 1767 reverted when the Spanish breached the agreement to maintain a colony at Port Louis to prevent the British gaining title". That is what we need a reliable, secondary source for: the "revertion" of the ceded title.

Regards. --Langus (t) 02:35, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see that there may be something into it, but (and this is a BIG but) here in Wikipedia we have absolutely forbidden to draw conclusions on our own. That's called "original research" around here, and that's what I mean when I say WP:OR (OR is used here as a short for "original research"). I urge you to follow the link and read about it. Basically, we need a reliable source that says "hey, this is a fundamental breach of contract!". We can not conclude that on our own, not here on Wikipedia.

I note that in your reply you say "So few historians are for that matter, but I have come across one". Who is he? Could he be cited as a source for this idea?

I'll leave you the instrument executed by Bougainville to deliver the islands, without any intention to draw conclusions out of it. I believe this would be the "contract" which you are referring to:

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“I, Monsieur Louis de Bougainville, colonel of his most Christian Majesty’s army, have received six hundred and eighteen thousand one hundred and eight livres, thirteen sols, and eleven deniers, being the amount of an estimate that I have given in, of the expenses incurred by the St. Malo Company in equipments for founding their intrusive establishments in the Malvina Islands, belonging to his Catholic Majesty, in the following manner:—

“Forty thousand livres delivered on account to me in Paris, by his Excellency the Count de Fuentes, ambassador of his Catholic Majesty to that court, for which I gave the proper receipt.

“Two hundred thousand livres, which are to be delivered to me at the same court of Paris, according to bills drawn in my favour by the Marquess of Zambrano, treasurer-general of his Catholic Majesty, upon Don Francisco Ventura Llorena, treasurer-extraordinary of the same; and sixty-five thousand six hundred and twenty-five hard dollars, and three-fourth parts of another, which are equivalent to the three hundred and seventy-eight thousand one hundred and eight livres three sous and eleven deniers, at the rate of five livres per dollar, which I have to receive in Buenos Ayres, on account of bills which have been delivered to me, drawn by his excellency the Baylio Fray, Don Julian Arriaga, secretary of state for the general department of the Indies and navy of his Catholic Majesty.

“In consideration of these payments, as well as in obedience to his Most Christian Majesty’s orders, I am bound to deliver up, in due formality, to the court of Spain, those establishments, along with the families, houses, works, timber, and shipping built there, and employed in the expedition; and, finally, every thing therein belonging to the St. Malo Company, as included in the accounts which are so settled, and to his Most Christian Majesty, by this voluntary cession, making void for ever all claims that the company, or any person interested therein may have, or might produce, upon the treasury of his Most Catholic Majesty; nor can they henceforth demand more pecuniary, or any other compensation whatsoever. In testimony whereof, I set my name to this present instrument and voucher, as one principally interested, as well as authorized to receive the whole of this sum, agreeably to a registry in the department of state in St. Ildefonso, 4th October, 1766.

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You can answer me here if you like, I'm "watching" (i.e. following any changes) your talk page as well as mine. Yes, I know, it's creepy, but that's the way it is here ;)

Cheers! --Langus (t) 03:04, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Langus Thanks for replying. The lawyer/historian is Roger Lorton LLB(Hon) M.Phil and he is an expert on the Falkland Islands history too. He provided me with a copy of Bougainville's transfer agreement. The (original) research I've carried out on this claim suggests that Bougainville carried out the negotiations in Madrid. However, he was ordered to do this by Choiseul. Bougainville had just returned from his second trip to the Port Louis colony. He was full of good news that the colony was developing. They'd collected a lot of timber from Tierra Del Fuego and new buildings/homes were being constructed. He reported to King Louis XV and was told that a third supply trip would be made, but not to be commanded by Bougainville. It appears that the transfer of the colony had already been agreed at a diplomatic level and this will be in the correspondence between Choiseul and the French ambassador in Spain, Marquis d'Ossun.

Bougainville himself wrote (in his account of his circumnavigation which can be found here http://ia600706.us.archive.org/31/items/VoyageAroundTheWorldByLewisDeBougainvilleIn1766-9/Bougainville_Voyage_Eng_Transcr_JFF.pdf ) the following:

IN February 1764, France began to make a settlement on the Isles Malouines. Spain reclaimed these, isles as belonging to the continent of South America and her right to them having been acknowledged by the king, I received, orders to deliver our settlement to the Spaniards, and to proceed to the East Indies by crossing the South Seas between the Tropics.

So Bougainville says that the French King Louis XV had acknowledged Spain's rights to the territory. As King Louis had already carried out the formality of receiving the sovereignty from Bougainville in 1765 in Paris and this had been formally announced (to other ambassadors), there would have to be a treaty ceding the title from French ownership to Spain's.

What I am trying to locate is the diplomatic correspondence. This will definitely lay out the terms of the state transfer agreement. There are collections of these in the French archives and I've located the identity of the books which will have copies, but not been able to get hold of one yet. British Library will have one. Nigelpwsmith (talk) 16:28, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

Your repeated warnings and continued findings of copyright violations tell me you have no desire to either fix your errors or edit constructively. As a result you are blocked. Wizardman 14:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You have not made clear why I have been blocked.

The copyright issues were initially because I did not provide a license for the picture I owned and uploaded to the website. A later copyright matter referred to material which was removed from the article.

Therefore there is no Copyright issue outstanding and I cannot understand why you have blocked me. I must therefore consider that your Block is malicious and report it to Wikipedia as such.Nigelpwsmith (talk) 18:15, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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