User talk:Nnevillem
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Guide to referencing
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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can removed unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started.
A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, and authorised web sites. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is original research (e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research), or another wikipedia article.
The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section (unless it already exists). This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:
The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):
Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.
Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page:
(End of text to copy and paste.) It should appear like this:
You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Note the single square brackets around the URL and the article title. The format is:
Make sure there is a space between the URL and the Title. This code results in the URL being hidden and the title showing as a link. Use double apostrophes for the article title (it is quoted text), and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). Double square brackets round the name of the paper create an internal link (a wikilink) to the relevant wikipedia article. Apostrophes must go outside the brackets. The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead. Dates are wikilinked so that they work with user preference settings to display the date in the format the user wishes.
You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Here is an example for a book:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Make sure you put two single quote marks round the title (to generate italics), rather than one double quote mark.
These formats are all acceptable for dates:
You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference
The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:
The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:
You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! A short cut will only pick up from higher up the page, so make sure the first ref is the full one. Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them. You can see multiple use of the same refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.
The above method is simple and combines references and notes into one section. A refinement is to put the full details of the references in their own section headed "References", while the notes which apply to them appear in a separate section headed "Notes". The notes can be inserted in the main article text in an abbreviated form as seen in Harriet Arbuthnot or in a full form as in Brown Dog affair.
More information can be found at:
I hope this helps. If you need any assistance, let me know. |
Thank you for starting this article. The list of shows has been removed (it is in the history still) as it is a copyright violation of the list on the Rachel Howard web site. Also it is disproportionate to the article. We are looking for content, rather than a CV, so any extra information that can be included and referenced, would be welcome. A short list of shows would be appropriate, but with the wording tweaked, so it is not a direct copy of the source. Tyrenius (talk) 00:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Just wanted to say congratulations on a perfectly formatted reference![1] It provides credibility and is the way to ensure information will stay in the article. Tyrenius (talk) 01:00, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
And also a cautionary note. You've taken a sentence word for word from The Independent. That's not allowed, since it's a copyright violation, so I've tweaked it . Always make sure you paraphrase the original. Tyrenius (talk) 01:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
References and groundwork
[edit]One of the most important things is to learn how to reference properly. External links should be kept to a mininum. If there is valuable information on a link, it should be summarized and then the cited inline. Tyrenius has thoughtfully provided you with the tutorial above. Click 'show' on the right to read it.
Another important consideration when adding fresh articles is notability. Always try and have at least a couple of decent newspaper references or other authoritative secondary sources before adding any fact. Look before you leap, as it were.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wwwhatsup (talk • contribs)
Subliminal Girls
[edit]If you had googled Subliminal Girls before adding them to the Art Brut infobox, you would have discovered their wikipedia article at Subliminal Girls (Band) which you could have linked to. In fact that capital B is bad style for wikipedia, so I have moved the article to Subliminal Girls (band). More to the point you would have discovered that while The Art Goblins are definitely an associated act, the Subliminal Girls connection is perhaps just a little too tenuous to merit inclusion in that category. That the band includes people that have played with Jasper & Eddie in side bands doesn't quite cut it, however similar they are. Note that Macaca Mulatta are notable automatically under WP:MUSIC as the band includes a former Art Brut member - they deserve an article. The Subliminal Girls article reads like a promo piece and is virtually unreferenced. As it stands it could be a candidate for deletion. That would be a good place to practice your referencing skills. Wwwhatsup (talk) 08:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks wwwhatsup. I had realised that the page as it stood before was just a blurb, and had attempted to start tiding it up. I have removed anything from the original post that was not referenced and will continue with research.Nnevillem (talk) 12:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Very good. Got your first properly formatted ref in there. Congrats on that. I've knocked out the native.tv, their site is down. What you should be clear on is the difference between primary refs and secondary. Primary is someone writing about their own stuff, such as, say Weekender writing about one of their bands, and secondary is somebody independently writing about that stuff. Generally speaking primary sources are ok as a reference for facts such as personnel, releases etc but not for opinions. In Wikipedia's opinion two-a-penny bloggers are not valid secondary sources, they have to be at least somewhat notable and authoritative - say Drowned in Sound for instance. As an alternative to knocking out uncited fame/acclaim claims you can just reference a couple of the more notable sources - you can even include a phrase in the ref template by adding a |quote= inside the curly brackets. You could even add a 'reviews' section - just as long as there are cites. Fortunately the chart placing is enough to establish notability, which is good because their doesn't appear to be one solid secondary source to be found on a quick google. The vids are there tho so I've added a videography. A small note on formatting titles - songs get the "quotes" while album titles get the double apostrophes. Wwwhatsup (talk) 05:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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[edit]As a courtesy to other editors, it is a Wikipedia guideline to sign your posts on talk pages, user talk pages, and WikiProject pages. To do so, simply add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your comments. Your user name or IP address (if you are not logged in) and the date will then be automatically added along with a timestamp when you save your comment. Signing your comments helps people to find out who said something and provides them with a link to your user/talk page (for further discussion). For further info, read Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thank you. Ty 14:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
appologies- I had remembered just as I hit 'save' then immediately went back to sign it.Nnevillem (talk) 14:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit]hi did you take this pic?Genisock2 (talk) 18:09, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Yes, I took it at her opening event- did I do the right tags? Do let me know if I need to do anything else, many thanks.
- thankyou for letting me know.Genisock2 (talk) 02:05, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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