User talk:Paul730/Archive 9

Teeth

It isn't on my list. I saw a trailer for it. I doubt I'd buy it, but if it came on TV I might watch it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

No specific reason other than I saw the trailer and it looked stupid. There are a lot of recent horror movies that I just don't really want to watch. I didn't want to watch The Eye because I thought it looked stupid. I saw it while I was at my internship and my fears were correct.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

This guy is funny.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah...lined with lead. It certainly gives a new appreciation for your personal fanaticism involving the franchise. lol. ;D  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say they sucked, or that they weren't just as important. I merely stated that regardless of how good they are, or if they are canon, they still are secondary to the original source. It's just like, if a novel (canon) redefines Jason's backstory, and it all makes since, but they change a lot of stuff it will all be irrelevant to the fact that he was still a character created for the films.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say that DH sucked, I said that the creative juices are running dry. As for the "first come first serve" - that's not entirely accurate of my opinion. I don't believe that Mario should be "Jumpman". The Mario article is about the character in the Mario series, who also happened to first appear as merely "Jumpman". The article Buffy Summers is an article about the television character, who also happened to make her first appearance in a one-shot film that wasn't directly tied to the television series. The TV series was something that came later and "rebooted" what Joss had started. Now, if they were identical characters, and Joss was really just going from the end of the film to the beginning of the TV show - in one smooth motion, in an attempt to say that they were one in the same - then I'd say we'd have to write the article from the standpoint of the film as the primary source. I didn't mean to suggest that the primary source is the original source, just that the primary source of both Buffy Summers and Faith is the television source (or, in Faith's case, it IS the original source).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it just sounds that way because a lot of the time the "original" source is the primary source. But, you have to ask yourself, "What is this article about?" Is Buffy Summers about the television character, or is it about the film character? Was the television character an expansion of the film character, or was she something completely new, but based on the film character?

Don't start that "it's canon" talk. :P

For season two, they ruined that whole Caleb (whatever his name was) storyline, because they didn't know what to do with it. I would have made whatsherface's father a sexual abuser, because the way the mother initially hid it it seemed to be the case. I think this whole "the daugher was killed when a bookshelf fell on her" was crap. Seriously, how did a 40 lb girl pull a friggin' oak book shelf down on herself? If it was heavy enough to kill her, it was probably heavy enough to stay put when she climbed on it. It wasn't like it was sitting on carpet, and had poor stability. Wood on wood (no pun intended) is generally rather stable, especially when it's heavy wood. The destroying of Lynette and Tom's marriage? Come on, you need some stability on that show, and those two were it. Putting in this crazy shit with Lynette basically cheating on Tom is BS. The way she loved him, and was devoted to him in his time of need...bullshit. They're basically saying that she's no better than Gabrielle. And no, that's not creative, that's writers running out of legitimate stories for those characters so they pull a 180 and decide to start making them like everyone else.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

There is always a primary focus. The primary focus for Buffy and Faith is their television counterparts. Everything else is either an expansion of those particular versions of the character, or they are alternate versions. They still get coverage, they are just not the primary focus of the article. Season 8 is about the television character. Just because she is in comic book form doesn't change the fact that it's a direct representation of the television character (hence the title, "Season 8").

Not kicking Batman's ass. For Final Crisis's ass, which is technically a Superman related comic book. :P

There are other ways to show the trails of marriage than to have whole "Lynette with another man" thing. It puts a kink in your perception of her, because she clearly wanted to have that affair. Whether that was a moment of weakness because she was depressed or not, doesn't change that the fact that they could have done something better than boil her down to being just like Susan, or Gabi, or whatsoherface that left in the episode before last. I watch it occassionally, but not enough to know everyone's names or everything that happens (obviously). Tom's little girl was a better way to showcase marriage struggles - though, I thought she appeared a bit too smart for her age, it was still a good storyline for Tom and Lynette. I won't get into Susan remarrying....AGAIN...in the flashforward. Why do they have to do something with Mike? Haven't that done enough to him? Nope, they have to find some reason to either kill him off or she's going to divorce him. CRAP.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:14, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't change the fact that it's still the continuation of where season 7 left. It's the same "Buffy" character.

Avengers maybe, but Buffy isn't. :D

I actually like Mike. I don't understand why the writers are tormenting his character so much. I like Susan, because she's sort of the plucky next-door neighbor, who has a kind heart but always ends up with her foot in her mouth. She means well, but doesn't ever have the best tact. Gabi gets on my nerves too much...I hate money-grubbing, selfish twits. I can tolerate Bree - but her underhandedness gets annoying. Lynette was my second favorite, next to Susan, because she (originally) represented the kind of wife you always want. She was devoted, strong willed, independent, and infallable. That was ruined with Rick, at least for me. Not that I still don't enjoy watching her character - I don't watch the show enough to have been completely turned off with the Rick storyline...I actually left before it got worse and came back after it was all done and Rick had his own restaurant that was set on fire - the storyline just makes you think that if a character like Lynette, who is supposed to be the poster-child for the perfect woman/wife, can be susceptible to such an emotional affair then it makes you have to worry about the women in real life, who are far from perfect.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

That's just it, the film was volume 1...and the television show was volume 1, because they weren't directly connected. It's the same character, but not the same storyline. It was more like how Mario 64 isn't a continuation of what was played on the Super Nintendo; it's a new version of the same story.

She isn't beating "Superman", he's got Final Crisis above Season 8. That being said, Final Crisis is the primary DC comic right now, so his "Superman Allstar" (WTH??!) isn't really the primary comic for the character. But that's irrelevant, because independent comics have rivaled sales of DC and Marvel before. Dark Horse Comics used to do it all the time.

I told you I don't watch it all the time. I'm going from what I've seen, and NOT seen for that matter. Popping pills because you cannot cope isn't the same thing as emotionally cheating, in my eyes. One decision is made because you think it isn't going to cause problems (the pills), but in the end they always do. The other is total control. If you can't tell, I have issues with emotional (and physical) cheating. It's in the person's control. Even when they are having a rough patch in the marriage, you still know what you should and should not do. If you don't love your husband/wife anymore, and someone better comes along, then divorce and move on. Don't have an emotional affair and then realize you were wrong and try to make amends. If you have it once then you'll have it again, in my eyes. From what I saw, they obviously weren't "the stronger" for it, because they were still having problems up to the finale (with Tom's little girl not really letting them ever ease that tension). Just because Tom is still around in the future does not mean that Lynette (or even Tom for that matter) hasn't had further indiscretions. It merely means that neither knows about it. Not saying that did, just plugging the possibility of anything happening behind the scenes.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah see, you're using that fan mentality to go back in and fill the gaps. "The Origin" comic was created later to bridge a continuity issue in the fact that Joss had rebooted the Buffy the Vampire Slayer film into a TV series.

Yes, I am, because it's happened to me a couple times and the "emotional affair" is only the beginning. People don't have a "right" and "wrong" button, but they do know what they should and should not do. They are the ones that make the decision to actually go through with it. Lynette made the decision to at least emotionally cheat on Tom. She didn't go the full 9 yards, but she still went halfway. Notice in your quotes that it is Tom that is speaking all this. :D  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not. I don't care if it is canon or not. My point is that the article is about the TV show character, with mentionings of her first appearance, and later development outside of the TV arena. You cannot read that article and not assume that the primary focus is on the TV show character.

I didn't say she was a bad person, I just said she lost that image of perfection...which most people do. I personally just don't have any room for dishonesty of the heart. If the marriage is failing, then get out. Don't cheat your heart and then assume it's (not even initially, because she obviously felt bad about it afterward) ok because you didn't "really" cheat.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Young gays reading Buffy

Lol yeahh it was very interesting, but as with "The Long Way Home" I felt it was only Act 1, the first ten minutes of the episode. But it was good. I didn't mind the art. Have you seen the "Dark Willow" cover? And gosh, how homophobic of me to think two particular guys are ugly! I'd at least shave on my wedding day. :P Oh yeah, you like Grant Morrison, don't you? Does he always take forever to get his miniseries going? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 15:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Bizarre is the word I would use. Bullets travelling backwards in time? The New Gods are in the form of a black street gang? Hah, as for Buffy, the Dawn thing should be going somewhere. Three transformations then back to normal? Did Buffy ever do side-plots? Will this connect to Twilight somehow? I think the Dark Willow cover is a mislead. Maybe she just goes rooty to summon Buffy back to 2005/6/7/8?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 11:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

No, that is incest.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 13:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Xander is being brotherly, as he always has been. Being a man-centaur might be cool, but it would outgrow its usefulness quickly and I would miss my regular genitals.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 14:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll check it out soon! What do you think of Dr. Horrible? I'm loving it.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

It's mostly Joss, but also Jed and Zack Whedon. A musical starring Nathan Fillion, Felicia Day (Vi) and Neil Patrick fucking Harris (openly gay actor, Barney from HIMYM... which is practically a Whedon show, given the amount of Buffyverse actors in it). A musical, about supervillains. Part I and Part II are online, give at least part I a watch! ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 21:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Love him! It's more a thing about Harold & Kumar where he (in his self-parody) is called "NPH" or Neil motherfucking Patrick Harris.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 21:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

A typical Joss ending, would you say?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 10:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, on the Fred and Illyria articles, should we have a line about there being two After the Fall series, and briefly summarize the character's history in a chronological way ("Not Fade Away" - "First Night" (Angel) - Spike - Angel), rather than the current "She is seen doing this, then this, then it is revealed that..." structure?

I agree. They should have kept Franco, he was better than the new nobodies. It's because they're taking so long to return to the status quo (by not doing so at all), we have no sense of story arc or character development, just one long-drawing explanation of what the hell is going on (literally). It should have been a four-issue arc set immediately After the Fall, as in, in hell etc. ending with them restoring LA to its normal plane by destroying some Relic of Doom and then coping with the aftermath of that, all the while having arcs focusing on characters (for example, a Gwen-centric arc as opposed to Hi! Gwen's back!, or a Cordy arc) the way Buffy does so well. I guess that's the lack of Joss's influence and the lack of interest/quality control. Why couldn't Greenwalt get onboard? :( ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 14:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Faith

I was just curious as to what your rationale is for removing the list of episodes Faith has appeared in in Buffy. All other recurring roles in the series (Joyce Summers, Mayor Wilkins, Andrew Wells, even Giles) have this section. Either you plan on removing said section for all of these characters, or there really is no reason at all for it not to be there. Since this is an encyclopedia, you'd think it would make sense to have a list of appearances for a recurring role in a television series.

Thanks for listening. Nevermore | Talk 03:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I understand. I'll be the first to admit I've never been an avid reader of Wiki policy. And it does make sense. I just figured the articles should all be the same, didn't really care if it was one way or the other. So I guess the way you had it was the correct one. Well I'll help fix them, I've got nothing but time until school starts again. Nevermore | Talk 03:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

A great source about Faith's Angel development.[1]~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 13:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Enjoy  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I notice that you aren't taking part in the everlasting argument that is "Faith Lehane".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I got my Angel 1-5 box set the other day, so I'll be going through that too for sources!~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 21:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Terminator

So, seen the teaser yet? Does it make you wanna finish your Connor rewrite? Alientraveller (talk) 19:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, here's the official one. Personally, it always amused me you chose to write about John: he's not as heavily documented as Sarah, Reese and Ah-nuld's character. Alientraveller (talk) 20:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Smallville

Season 1 is basically freak of the week episdoes all season, but some are pretty good. "Hourglass", "Stray" and "Tempest" are among my favorite for that season. Season two becomes more serial. "Heat", "Ryan", "Rosetta" (one with Christopher Reeve), "Precipice", "Calling" and "Exodus" in season two. That's awesome that you got them so cheap. I hope you can get the others just as cheap so you can watch them all (if you like the first two seasons, that is).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

All shows are like that. A lot of the time Smallville DVDs will go on sale just before they release the new season, which will be out at the beginning of September. Just depends on the time of year.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the pilot was a bit clumsy. The more I go back and watch them the more things I find that could have been tweaked. But, as you go along not only do the stories get better, but so does the writing and the acting. First the most part, to me, season 1 is more about those closing scenes than the rest of the stuff that comes before them. Clark's imaginary dance with Lana, the lonely walk of a hero in the second episode. It's stuff like that that makes the episodes seem better than they probably are.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Might not have noticed the one bareling down on them. I mean, they were staring up into the Sun. Yeah, they just needed a B-story to fill up some time. Chloe certainly is the most interesting character.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:37, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

"Superman" is not on the template for a couple of reasons. The show isn't about "Superman", and "Superman" does not appear. It also gives editors a reason to start listing all of the DC characters in the "related" section that have appeared on the show. At point, the character section listed all of the DC comics character pages for the characters in the show. The template is really to navigate the Smallville pages.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

You have to remember, that I liked season one episodes based on key factors, not the entire episode. For "Hourglass", it's the vision of the future that Clark gets of himself.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, though I like "Stray" because it's just a really good episode that doesn't have to deal with the "freak of the week" formula. "Tempest" (the finale) is an all around good episode, with a decent cliffhanger.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, "Hug" is a pretty good one. I never said I liked Lana, I just don't hate her like some people. She's the only "normal" person on the show. Everyone else is always getting into capers with Clark, while she, for the most part, it trying to live her life like nothing is going on. Allison Mack could act circles around Hannigan. :P  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Lives in denial of what? Self-absorbed? She rather caring. She may be closed off, but that's because of losing her parents at such a young age. As for Mack and Hannigan, you're comparing apples and oranges - they're both fruits but they taste differently. In other words, they're both good actresses but Hannigan is more of a comedic actress, while Mack has the ability to just chew up large chunks of dialogue like they were nothing, and it doesn't seem odd (in that Dawson's Creek "for some reason I talk like I'm a 55 year old English professor") coming out of her mouth.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Complaining about her dead parents? She hardly speaks of them. It's more that those strange things rarely happen directly to her, and when they do Clark or Chloe have already solved the mystery for her. In season one, she's busy trying to discover who she really is (hence quiting the cheerleading squad) and re-analyzing her feelings for Whitney and Clark. You have to remember, that she isn't interested in that type of stuff. She's like a nicer version of Cordelia. Shit happens, but at this point she doesn't really care about it. Cordelia eventually got in on the investigations, and so does Lana, but for the better part of season one, Clark tries to keep Lana out of it all.

As for Mack, if you want to talk about "similar characters", Veronica Mars is a complete rip-off of Chloe Sullivan.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Lana's "damsel" days end with season two's "Precipice" (but that's episode 19..so you'll have to live with it until then). She certainly becomes a stronger character later on, and I think you'll have more appreciation for her as the seasons go by. Then again, some fans have hated her from the start and never appreciated her. As far as Cordelia goes, I was likening the two of them to the fact that early on neither really wanted anything to do with the respective "Scooby-gangs"'s investigations into the weird and unexplained. Later one they get more into it, and Lana certainly becomes more interested in helping even when she cannot defend herself.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying that Veronica Mars was a bad show, I'm merely stating that they clearly stole the Chloe Sullivan character. As for Re-Animator, is it the original film and not some sequel? If so, then yeah, I'd stay up for it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I put in a "Request for comment", so hopefully we'll have some fresh blood in here. As for Smallville, yeah, "Nicodemus" is a fun episode. I love when John Schneider slides the truck around the corner while screening through the open door at the other people. LMAO.

Yeah, 14/15...that's one continuity error I could never understand. They present them as freshman high schoolers, but you'll see them driving by the end of the seasons. Unless they were all held back a year, no one drives in America until they are in the latter half of their 10th grade year.

You'll see a darker Lana in season six, that's for sure...as well as season seven. She generally stays "innocent" for a portion of season two, but you'll notice a backbone growing in the character as more episodes unfold. You're really working through those episodes. lol. Already at "Nicodemus". I'm just about done with season six myself (I restarted the whole series...felt like watching them again...I got 3 episodes left in season six).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Probably hasn't fought the Terminator or Robocop.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

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Yeah, I did. Actually, when I finish season six I'm going to throw in Heroes. That should tied me over some till the new season of Smallville and Heroes comes out on DVD.

Exactly, that's what Gough and Millar were after. It's really fun to see his transition to evil, because, to me, his transition to evil is not only more interesting but much more visible than Clark's transition to Superman. From the moment you see Clark you see hints of Superman in him and there isn't a huge change for him. His biggest issue is needing to learn that there is a bigger world out there and he can't hide on his farm. With Lex, you see this altruistic person metamorphisize into a truly evil person. The foreshadowing for his character (like in "Hourglass"), and all the moments of questionable actions (one big on at the end of "Tempest"). He's certainly the most tragic character on the show. Lana becomes a tragic character, but Lex more so.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Lex covets a lot of what Clark has. Let's see, the show without Lana...will be fine. I like her (though I didn't care for some of the things they did with her character in season seven), but the show doesn't need her. As far as Lex goes, to me, he needs to pop up again before the series ends. Does it have to be in the final episode...maybe..I would certainly like that, but as long as he pops up again at some point to show that he isn't dead, then I'll be cool. I know that the series finale better be 2 hours, because it's going to need to satisfy a lot of people, not just the fans that have stuck around for all 8 seasons.

To me, the best way to end the finale is showing Clark realizing how many times people have been trying to push him toward his ultimate destiny of helping the world (as that is going on, show a montage of scenes from previous seasons where some character put him a little closer to that destiny - like Ryan James, Oliver Queen, Raya, Jonathan, Martha, Lana, etc). To me, a quick montage of scenes where Clark remembers all of those people that have given him some advice that he failed to use immediately, but upon recollection he realizes how good it was, would be very poignant for the series. That, and have Clark finally learn all about Jor-El, how he really was on Krypton, why he put Clark through all these tests. Anything to bring full closure to their heated relationship, so that Clark will finally call him "Father", instead of "Jor-El". Maybe, after learning the truth about Jor-El, his decision to place the family crest on his chest will be out of respect and constant remembrance of his family. They have a lot of ground to cover in one season, and a two hour finale would really help.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but Rosenbaum always said he would leave when Lex was pure evil, and by the end of season seven he had reached the Lex Luthor that we all know and love to hate.

Overall, I would say that the "quality" of the show improved each season. Certainly, some seasons had more "great" episodes than others, and I'm slightly peeved at the ending of season seven, but overall the quality that they bring each episode is always on the uprising. It seems that each season ups the notch as far as "great" episodes go, even if they don't have as many as the previous season. I would say that season four was probably the peak, as far as Superman mythology per quality episodes goes. Season five dived a bit, IMO, but picked back up in season six. Seven dived as well. I think Buffy and Smallville are similar in that regard as well, as the first four seasons seemed to be ever climbing the quality ladder, with a dip in season five, pick up in season six, and a dip again in seven. I don't have high hopes for eight, but I can still be surprised. They may do something that blows my socks off.

I think a 2 hour finale is necessary for who the character is, not just to tie up loose ends. I think, with the bomb that was Superman Returns, I would love to have Gough and Millar return to write a 2 hour (make-shift "film") ending to the show. Obviously I want a good story, but I think if season four's finale can have 1.5 hours, the series finale can get a full 2. If they cover what I would like them to cover (as I stated in the previous post) in early episodes, that's cool too...I just want a finale that feels like a full fledge movie. I know they can do a great finale, and I want something to make up for Superman Returns.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

You know how fanboys can be (no personal offense); if it doesn't match their interpration to a "T" then it sucks. I typically try and back off and say, "this is Gough and Millar's version of Superman, and not an adaptation of the comic book". That being said, I'm still pissed about the inclusion of Doomsday. :D

I didn't really care for Kara in season seven. She gets in the way of Jimmy and Chloe, and to me, no offense to Aaron Ashmore (who plays Jimmy), I don't see how Kara would be attracted to Jimmy in the first place. Plus, it seemed that there were more "weak" episodes in this season than previous ones. Don't get me wrong, there were some really fun things like Lionel's death, and the Bizarro story arc (yes...multiple episodes), plus the return of James Marsters as Brainiac.

I'm cool with a movie finale over a reunion movie...but if I could have my way...I'd get both. :D Why wouldn't Joss just do a movie that takes place after the comics? Then the comics could pause, have the movie, and then pick up after the movie ends. Seems simple enough.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't saying that Ashmore was ugly, just that when you see Laura Vandervoort, you kind of wonder how that would really work. As for Tenant...in a completely "secure with my heterosexuality" way, Welling looks way better than Tenant. You're just saying that you'd take Tenant over Welling because you're a Doctor Who fan. *Cough*Fanboy*Cough*

Season three's cliffhanger is pretty good. Smallville does really good with cliffhanges. There is one in season seven that I was completely guessing from the start but was still surprised when I saw it (it's in the middle of the season though). I wouldn't expect you to "love" Smallville, because you're a Marvel guy. Superman really isn't your favorite character, but it's still cool that you're enjoying it. Told you that "Tempest" was good. I love the part in "Vortex" where Clark is telling his dad about being in the tornado and feeling like he was willing himself to the truck, and then clarifying by saying, "I felt like I was flying". That always gives me goosebumps. Yeah, "Heat" is hilarious with the metamorph for sex. I love how when the power first appeared it was only sputters. LMAO.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Not if you do it in an appropriate manner. With Clark, sex is a long way away (specifically, three more seasons), but sexual tension has always been on the show. It's also a big part of growing up, so it was good that the producers tackled that aspect of teen life.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, whenever Clark goes red K he dons the leather jacket...lol. There's a couple more episodes that have Pete more of a central player, but for the most part he does fade into the background.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

That could be interesting, but it certainly feels like a rip-off of the "Justice" episode they already did (which was a great episode). I think, if done right, it could give Clark some real insight into who he is going to become, which could help him start down that path sooner. From what I've read in an interview with the new producers (which I'm sorty of got a new hope for, but still not entirely liking), their Doomsday is a complete reinterpretation of the character, but as the season goes on he will match up (maybe not with the bony physical body) to his mythos comic book counterpart.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Trying to figure out which image of Clark would be best for the article. This one, this one, this one, this one or this one.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

He was a Kryptonian experiment go awry. I don't think he's human in the show, I think he only "appears" human. What exactly should I be looking for on the DVDs?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I want the color scheme because it's clearly a reference to Superman, and I know there is some OOU information on them intending that theme as well as creating those clothes (which would be good for the article). I'm thinking either something outside the Kent farm, or in the Fortress of Solitude (the icy background brightens up the red and blue a lot).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I saw that weeks ago when it first was released on that Brad Fuller blog.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

My two cents: Lana is painfully annoying; and going on what Bigsy said, if Chloe is your favourite character than Veronica Mars is the show you should be watching. I wouldn't necessarily say it's a rip-off - who'd wanna rip off Smallville? But the main character is similar to Chloe in a number of ways, although her whole universe is like Buffy's without vampires, and more noir murder-mystery elements.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 11:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Let's see...UPN was the WB's rival network. Smallville was one of the highest rated shows on both networks, and Chloe one of the most popular (especially by season 3...2004). UPN took the idea behind Chloe Sullivan and turned it into Veronica Mars (even down to a blonde Kristen Bell). *Cough*Rip*Cough*Off

P.S. As far "who'd want to rip-off Smallville" goes...all I have to say is, who's still on the air? :D

I'm only teasing Zythe. ;)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It was merely an observation based on the longevity of the show itself, not a statistical fact. ;)

Glad you finally got to see The Dark Knight, and it lived up to what you expected and more. I can't wait for it to come to the IMAX here, because it's going to be even more awesome on that huge screen.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

LMAO...come to the dark side.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

No, but I wouldn't mind getting it as well. I liked what Jeph Loeb brought to Smallville, and I know that influenced the show quite a bit.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

There's so many things that I wouldn't mind getting, they're just too much to count. I wouldn't mind getting the All Star Superman, or the Batman graphic novels either.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

First, notice the "Buffy Summers is referred to as 'The Chosen One'"? They didn't even include "Anne" in there. :D

As for the better superhero bit, they clearly identify their poll as non-scientific. To answer the question of why Superman is better, the fact that he DOES NOT kill makes him a far more nobler character and superhero. By shear abilities, he far out ranks Buffy. Everyone assumes that as longas you know his weakness then you can kill him. Arguments are always "they'll just bring kryptonite if they were in a death match". First, if they were in a "real" battle, where each side knew they had to fight, Superman would merely bring his lead suit (yes, he has a lead suit to protect against kryptonite exposure) and fight in there. Thus, the kryptonite aspect would be null and void and Buffy would be beaten. He would simply pluck her on the head and knock her out cold...then do it again and again until she finally submitted. Simple fight really. Now, as far as humorous quips go...that's Buffy all the way. When thinking of a "cool" character, that's Buffy as well, because Superman is a boring "person". As even the article notes, he's a farmer at heart and not a very humorous person (probably because of all the things that have happened to him in his life).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Plus, if for whatever reason Superman really wanted you dead, he'd go into orbit and pinpoint you with heat vision! His whole Modern Age shtick is that as godly and powerful as he seems, he's always holding himself back from his full power.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 14:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

This is true. It's a well known fact in the comic lore that Superman pulls his punches, even with most supervillains.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

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LOL. Figures. You have to also remember that Superman has been around for 70 years, and the vast majority of Superman fans are probably not all that computer savvy. Willow and Superman could be a more balanced fight, since Superman can be hurt by magic. What I always find interesting is that whenever there is a "versus Superman", people always say something the effect of "Well, they'll be smart enough to use kryptonite against him". I find it funny because people seem to forget that Superman is also super-intelligent, and that he wouldn't anticipate such a move from someone he was going to fight. It even seems that way in the comics as well; that they "dumb-down" Superman whenever he goes up against an opponent that--if Superman was "real"--would never really have a shot at beating him. Like, occassionally in Smallville, you'll see Clark fighting krypto-freaks at normal speed, but you've established that he's faster than the speed of light so how the hell are they even getting shots in on him? Obviously they are doing it so that the fights aren't all one-sided, but I think you get my criticism.

You know, I just realized something about Heroes and Smallville, in terms of quality. With Heroes, I am always left wanting that next episode (because of the cliffhanger endings that happen at the end of each), but I'm not like that with Smallville. I mean, I like new Smallville episodes, but I'm never dying for the next one (except on the season finales, because of the cliffhangers). Yet, I've never had that tingling feeling (the goosebumps) when something happens on Heroes. It's generally exciting, but never to the point of the tingles. With Smallville that seems to actually happen a lot, even on horrible episodes, there is usually A scene that just gives me the shivers because it was just so awesome. I speak of this because I'm on the season 1 finale of Heroes now.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The necklace is gone by season two. Well, the Golden Age (I think that's the one) had Superman really, really God-like. Like, moving planets and flying into comets and surviving God-like. As for Smallville, the tip their hat to his intelligence, but they never really do anything with it. He's shown in the show to have a photographic memory, and he solves the clues pretty quickly, but they never really address just "how smart" he really is on the show. Sometimes they show him having to cram for a test the next day, and I think...ok? Was he just not paying attention in class the weeks prior? I think they did a little too much when trying to make him a "real" person, in that regard.

LMAO, I'm not going to dignify that with a comment. Though, I did run a human sexuality group last night with my substance abusing juveniles (at my internship). It went rather interestingly.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's kind of why I liked Heroes, because they had one long problem all the way through and it took them the whole season to get there. Even when they solved mini-problems they just opened up a whole new can.

I'm thoroughly enjoying my internship. My "official" last day is August 8, but I like it there so much that I'm going to come back on the weekends and whenever I have some free time.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

So many people seem to hate season two...I guess I'll find out in a month or so. Most shows are hard to week-to-week basis. I like my co-workers, and there are a couple of clients I want to continue working with until they graduate.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Cool, glad you liked it. It's one of my all time favorites, because I like watching Christopher Reeve interact with Tom Welling. I loved how he was brought in to pass the torch on.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, one of my favorite parts is when he's walking into the barn and he sees Lana (ready for Lex's wedding), and he just goes, "Wow!". Just wait till you get to the season three finale. Where are you in season three?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Clark just can't turn off his feelings for Lana, and neither can she for him for that matter. She tries to move on, but she's always drawn back to him. Nothing she can do can change the fact that he is probably her one "true" love - it's just not meant to be. As for Lana kicking ass, remember in that episode where Lex gave her a lesson she also signed up for karate classes (she had the pamphlet..I believe it was insinuated that she continued her self-defense training long after Lex's little mental pick-me-up).

"Perry" is a good one (Clark finally learns where he gets his powers), so are "Relic", "Shattered", "Asylum", "Obsession", "Legacy", "Memoria", and "Covenant".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice. It sounds weird to hear SMG with that animated character. So, SMG and AH voiced their characters, but it certainly doesn't sound like the others were voiced by their real world counterparts. Why didn't the show get picked up?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

She sounded a lot like SMG. That DID NOT sound anything like Nicholas Brendan, or Anthony Steward Head. Did they decide they needed to "cartoon-up" their voice or something?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Nope, poor college boy..remember. :D I'll get it, along with many other movies and TV shows when I get my student loans for the Fall.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I will just borrow it then. I'm not that big into Anime anyway. As far as Diary of the Dead goes, I like all of Romero's movies. Romero is the only writer/director that can get zombie movies to get good reviews from the critics.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Shaun doesn't count because it isn't a true "zombie" films. It's more of a parody of zombies films, but done in a serious manner (and hilarious one). As for "worst of the bunch", if you're going by Rotten Tomatoes, then I wouldn't because Rotten Tomatoes cannot accurately rate anything older than about 10 years. Land of the Dead was great. My g/f was bored by the originaly three, but liked Land of the Dead because it was a little more faced paced. Romero's films always have political and social undertones to them.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:38, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Why so forced. We live in a world of terrorism and wars, yet there is still the rich/poor issue in every country. Trust me, if the world is overrun by anything, and there is basically a "holocaust" of events, anyone rich enough will pay others to protect whatever they have. That would mean building a segregated society that kept the "poor" (who are often deemed to be the criminals and theives of society, as they always "want what the rich have") below, and away from the rich and powerful. They would find a way to separate themselves if they could.

As for "whole world of the dead". If you watch them all in order, it makes sense. The zombies start out in a few areas of Pennsylvania, and then being growing and growing until they are everywhere.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

28 Weeks Later was good, but I liked the first one better. I enjoy those Return of the Living Dead movies, because they are so stupid and cheesy.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you think this holds a snowball's chance in Hell?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

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Actually, from what I understand, I could have make each individual season an FT, and then go back and make ALL seasons an FT, and then go back after that and make ALL related articles an FT.

Yeah, those Return of the Living Dead films are silly, and just plain fun because of how stupid they are.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. I would think that it would be a featured topic within a featured topic, but I'm not positive. It could very well cease to be FT and become part of the larger topic. I'll find that when I get to that point. :D Yeah, it's very "slapstick wacky" - the first two are at least. The others try to be a bit more serious, but they are basically "low budget" (low-budget but not the best quality; unlike Romero's low budget films) horror films. This might help a little. LMAO, love the Army of Darkness take on that Buffy image.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

It's silly funny. All of them are on my Amazon wishlist, but so is about 21 pages of other stuff (including movies, music, graphic novels, regular novels, and games). Was this the clip you saw? Part 2 of that clip. I think Chop Top is the most hilarious character in the series.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

In some cases he does. Leatherface is kind of freaky in this one as well.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Season three got heavy into the mythos and darkness. Season four is really light, with more comical episodes (especially between Lois and Clark). What did you think of "Shattered"?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the crazy bit, for Lex anyone, was more about showing how he saw himself. I think it scared him at first, but later embraced that darker side. As for "gay for Clark", there has been a lot of stuff written about that in the fan community (and at least one peer reviewed journal from a PhD). The writers and cast knew about it, and goofed around on the set with it, but as far as in the actual episodes...that wasn't their intention. I think you have to look at it more from Lex's perspective. He's never had a "real" best friend. He's had some people that pretended to be his friend, and one person that he really didn't care about but called his "best friend" while in school. Clark was the first person that he looked at like his little brother, and what does family do (well, family that isn't Lionel)? They embrace a lot. I think that he longed for that familiar affection so much that he sought it out whenever Clark was around. I think that he looked for approval from Clark (literally, sometimes) so much early on that it appears more like homosexual themes between the characters. When their friendship completely dissolves, those "gay" moments dissappear. Especially when they have a burning hatred for each other towards the end of Lex's run on the show.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I think he was doing just that.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I take it from your opinion that it was worth the price? If so, I'm glad. It's certainly the funniest (in an intended kind of way) in the whole film series. The bit in the radio station creates both the suspense (when Leatherface bursts through the archive room) and the laughter with the whole sexual moments with him and Stretch.

Yeah, I didn't really understand Lefty's presence in the film. Other than killing Leatherface, he really seemed to go no where. You would have thought that the film would have been about him, but he was placed backseat to Stretch in the film.

Chop Top did sort of dwindle after first seeing him, but it could be considered more of an environmental thing. He probably has to hold back whenever Drayton is around. The third film has no continuity with these, but it's not bad as a stand alone Chainsaw film.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

The Full Monty is hilarious. It's another one that I own. If you see the third or fourth films on TV, then I'd go ahead and check them out. It's a good chance to see Viggo Mortensen, Renée Zellweger, and Matthew McConaughey early in their careers. The Wiki page has many characters listed as "Sawyer" for the third and fourth film (and a supposed cameo by Stretch in the third film), but I don't recall any of that. It's been awhile since I've seen those two, but probably would have said something to myself had I noticed it before.

I bought Rambo, Road House and The Crow today. Rambo was pretty good (I've seen the other two). I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed it after reading all those negative reviews about it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, TSCC is on my list to be when I get my student loans this coming semester. Hocus Pocus is a classic movie. I used to watch that all the time when I was a kid.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

First time I've ever heard of it. It's probably hilarious if NPH is in it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

It looks funny, but they must have really been bored during that Writers' Strike.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

You're "Whedon fans" for a reason...you take everything he does into your heart. The man could probably film himself taking a crap and spouting cheesy one-liners about his crap and that would be loved by Whedon fans. ;) j/k.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Dear lord. LOL. You should check out Firefly though, it is seriously worth it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I saw Serenity before the show as well, and it didn't make me want to go out and get the show. The tone is a little different in the film than it is in the show, for some reason. I caught an episode and enjoyed it, and that made me get the show. The show is closer to western than sci-fi stuff. You have the ship and the multiple planets and stuff, but the feel is more western.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

If you see it on TV, like the Texas films, give it a try.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but his "starring roles" always seemed to end quickly.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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Think I should wait till I fill in the book information before I move the Clark page over?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:10, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, the literature section has to wait till I can get the books (which will be in about 3 weeks - 2 weeks I get my students loans, and then a week to ship them from Amazon). Any synopsis I can find on the books really doesn't tell me that much about what any of the characters are doing, so I'm going to have to buy the books and read them quickly and write up what each talks about. I mean, the Amazon reviews gave me enough info for the main page section that talks about the books, but that's more of an overview and less on what is specifically occurring in the books. I don't want to reiterate the same thing in all the character sections (especially when not every character is mentioned in the synopsis, but I know they're in the book). The books themselves are only about $1 to $2, and some are only like $0.10...so they're real cheap. They're also like 300 pages - for young adults, so they should be quick reads at that. I don't know, what do you think? As for the image, I'm going to have to go through the DVDs and find a good image that I can capture, because I can't find anything with good lighting on the web.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Here is what I could come up with: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and of course that one you gave me that is on the sandbox talk page.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 07:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, #1 is from the end of "Commencement" (the season four finale). What do you think about the book situation? Should I move that stuff to another sandbox and work on it when I get the books, moving the article into the mainspace, or wait and move it all when the books are done?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right about that. I still have to buy them for the other characters, because I'm sure they are doing something in the books besides just helping Clark. What I'll do is copy and paste the main page info, but reword everything to focus on Clark's role in the book.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

What do you think?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

How's that?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

For Lex in the TV section? What page are you referring to?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I got ya. I was looking all around on the Lex related pages going "huh?" I fixed it. If you find anything ommitted, maybe there is a question as to how a character got somewhere, or an important plot element...if you already know it, feel free to add it. The TV section is really paraphrased, mainly because I think the season pages break down the episodes well enough. I did add a bit about their friendship dissolving--as it wasn't there before--and I may need to go back and add some about the failed renewal of their friendship as well.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:08, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Bootleg version of the Friday the 13th footage they showed at ComicCon. It's hard to get crystal clear image, but you can generally see what's going on.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:38, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

He never really "ran" in the originals, probably because all those stunt guys were slow as fuck. lol. He was moving damn fast in that preview. I'm cool with it at the moment. I haven't seen enough to make a clear judgment. I'm also cool with the tunnel idea, because that was a big qualm with the predecessors with critics, was that he just magically always appeared, and all he did was walk through the woods. I hope the deaths are real looking, and not quite as over the top as they were in Freddy vs. Jason - with blood spirting all over the place.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:24, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it will be explored beyond seeing him running through the tunnel, maybe looking around for the quickest route and then high tailing it that way. I'm more or less curious as to how they plan to handle the mask. They say we'll see him actually get and put it on, but I'm hoping they don't copy Halloween with that.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:24, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

You never know, you may come to appreciate the tunnel explaination and the mask reasoning...then again, we could both hate it. Yeah, I believe it was Pamela. I read that they will be including her head. I wonder if the film will start toward the end of the "first" one, maybe showing her being decapitated and showing Jason witnessing the whole thing. Who knows. This movie has been under wraps so tight it's like a friggin' frozen burrieto.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:40, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the reason Zombie's film didn't feel like a "Halloween" film is because Michael was so proactive and viceral in his actions. He's never really been like that in the other films. Since that's a reboot, it's forgivable, too. I don't know why they are being secretative though. It's coming out in February, you'd think they'd at least release a teaser to get the chatter going. BTW, how are you coming with Smallville?  BIGNOLE  [[User talk:Bignole|<

Lionel is awesome. He is always fun to watch, no matter what. That's probably more John Glover than anything. What do you mean by "unconvincing high schoolers"? You mean how they look?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Relatively normal lives? What's normal about staying out late at night, every night, staking vampires? Parents in Sunnydale never wonder what their children are up to that late at night? If you think about Buffy, they spent most of their time in the library with Giles (ala the Torch with Chloe on Smallville). I think Buffy had more moments where you saw the actual classrooms, but it seemed like they always had a hall pass to go to the library whenever they wanted to.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok then, for a school to have all this crap happen to it...why doesn't anyone question that or shut it down? Why isn't there increased secruity? I think the reason they "appear" also helps that the Buffy cast was younger when they started than the Smallville cast. Tom Welling was like 24, playing a 15 year old. Allison Mack was the youngest person on the cast, and she was 18. I think Kristin Kreuk was around SMG's age when she started Smallville. They only people that look close to their age are Sam Jones and Allison Mack, even then, I don't know a lot of 15 year olds that had Sam's body.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but in the first season Nell was also owner, and she also ran ths coffee shop (though, I think because of lack of screen time it must have been running off-screen). Lana didn't really "take over" till midway through season two, and even then I think that was supposed to be the "charm" of Lana - to show that she is tougher than she appears, and she can handle a lot. As far as Paris goes, a lot of schools have study abroad programs. It's just as easy to do that as it is to come back to your home town and reinstate back into your old school.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

She didn't abandon her. Remember, they fought tooth and nail (off screen) about her staying in Smallville. Nell initially told her no, but she pleaded for her to allow Lana to stay with Chloe.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

No weirder than wondering why no one bothered to show concern that a teenage girl was hanging around an older male librarian constantly. I mean, geeze, does anyone in that town have concerns for their youth?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Martha and Jonathan are pretty involved in their son's life; I think that's how it is with all those characters "off screen", sans Lana of course.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

This is true, but you cannot knock the show for having a pair of perfect parents - I mean, seriously. Not all parents are as clueless or uncaring in their children's lives as those in Sunnydale either.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, once you get out of season four, you won't have to worry about that feeling of 20-somethings shoehorned into school. Speaking of, how did you like the season four premiere? "Transference", "Unsafe", "Pariah", "Onyx", "Blank", and "Commencement" are good episodes this season. "Jinx" has a good special effects scene at the end, where Clark saves Chloe.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

You mean where he first becomes a footballer? Yeah, it wasn't great. It had its moments. What do you think about the obvious T-1000 rip-off?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Um, there is the episode that you saw (where he joins the team). There is "Jinx", and I think that's the last time we see him actually "play" football. It's talked about later on, and he goes to Met. U for a walkthrough of their football program, and then that's it. So, does that mean you liked season three's "Asylum", which brought back three freak-of-the-week villains?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the point that they were trying to get across is that the birth of such power, in youths that in a time of their life that they are easily corruptible, can be dangerous. For a lot of people, they just cannot handle that kind of power, and if you know you have the power to get what you want then you're probably going to abuse it. Like you said, not everyone grew up with Jonathan and Martha Kent as parents.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

There is one in season four's "Blank" that intially "abuses" his powers, but later uses them for a good cause. There is one in season five that uses them for...I won't say "good", but they don't abuse their power. There aren't a lot, but there are a few down the line that makes you think that maybe it isn't just the kryptonite that is making them psychotic.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:34, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

What did you think of the race at the end, where Bart blows Clark away? lol. How do you think Welling handled portraying Glover's Lionel? Glover did great playing "Clark Kent" - I think it's easier for elder actors to portray that younger personality, than it is for younger actors to portray that same in an older personality.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

What "tingle" moment? I didn't get a tingle watching them race, I just thought it was interesting that the chose to show that the Speed Force power is faster than Clark is. I'll probably pick up TSCC in the next week or so, along with some other shows and movies. I have vague memories of the episode where Faith and Buffy swapped places. Didn't Buffy get arrested for the crimes that Faith committed, and she was trying to make people believe that she wasn't really Faith....I can't remember entirely. Oh J. P. Manoux was Clark's cellmate.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Not that moment. The moment when Clark (Kal-El) fly did when I saw...hell, still does when I rewatch it. I like the part in "Transference" where Clark (Lionel) is walking around the rioting prisons, and you just see his eyes staring Lionel (Clark) down.

I grew up on the Terminator. Both (I chose that word with intention) are still classics to this day. How are the SFX in the TV show? The movies, especially T2 were usually really good with effects (except for that hideous scene where animatronic Arnold stares at himself in the mirror).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, from what I've read, Glover was on hand when Welling was doing his scenes to kind of coach him on the mannerisms that he evokes for the character.

Everyone's always doing that "oh, he's too EMO...I hate him". That in and of itself is slightly ironic that these people give such emotional responses to characters because they are "EMO". I can't wait to check it out; though I'm annoyed that it's only 9 episodes. I think I read that they actually lowered the price because of that; something I know Heroes didn't do for its second season.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Didn't they make Bryan Austen Green an adult John Conner?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I thought I read somewhere that he was John in the future. Should those characters even have articles?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I was merely making observation, I don't intend to go over there on my own accord. I try and stick to only suggesting mergers when I'm working to clean up a particular page (like with the Nightmare and F13 franchise pages).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

If you get a chance, watch those commentaries for the episodes in the seasons. They are always hilarious. I just finished one for "Exile", with Al Gough, Miles Millar, Ken Horton, Greg Beeman, and Michael Rosenbaum and it was funny as hell. They got on this rant about how hot Kristen and Tom are, and how sexy Michael looked when he worked out for his scenes on the island. Michael tells his hilarious story about finding diarrhea in his trailer toilet.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, they obviously do that too, and you get some interesting info on the show. But, a lot of the times it degenerates into chatty dialogue. Michael even went into how he enjoyed kissing Krista Allen, because her lips were like "suitcase handles", they were just so big. Obviously not something you'd be "interested" in here (technically, even as a heterosexual male, I wasn't even that interested in it), but it's more about how he talks about it that makes me laugh. He's such a funny person (if you ever catch the blooper reels on the DVDs). Plus, who could forget Sorority Boys. I just removed that category thing. You're right, he isn't a DC Comics character (even though that's where he originated from), he's a television character based on a DC Comics character.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorority Boys is hilarious. You should check it out if you ever get the chance. As for Buffy, I woudl cut out "Fictional Vampire Hunters" (redundant to the Slayer category...that's what a slayer is), Fictional Martial Artists (mainly because, doing roundhouse kicks doesn't make one a "martial artist"...I mean, Kato is a fictional martial artist. - that's just IMO), Superhuman strength (covered by Slayer), I would also cut "Valley Girl" (it's covered by "characters from California"....or cut the California one and keep the Valley Girl one...one is redundant to the other).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Break 5

Interesting. I won't know till season two hits DVD shelves, but if you're watching it on TV I'm sure I'll find out. Does that air same time for you as it does for me, or is it behind in the scheduling like a lot of other shows?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll put it on my--what appears to be--never ending list of things to get. :D  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Today in Borders I came across Doctor Who #398

...has a massive section where Barrowman discusses Jack's love life - the way his romance with Ianto his primarily a lustful one, which will probably not settle down; how he's hesitant to pursue Gwen because it would force him to settle down; how he dead fancies Martha; how he pines for the Doctor but does not embrace those feelings because he knows they are not returnable etc. I of course, refuse to buy such a magazine, but as a source it is fantastic, so I'm looking for scans/transcripts online. Do you have any geeky friends that read DWM? Oh, and I bought Spike: After the Fall today, and it was really good! :O ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha, sorry! Eek. (Found scans, anyway. Some really good stuff, that issue. I was carrying too much shopping to stop and buy anything more, regardless.) Hah, I don't know. Maybe Lynch is just better at writing just Spike?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed on Urru. And yeah, I'll pause my draft until I see yours, and I'll insert anything that might be notable. That particular magazine has a lot of great stuff for all the Who/Torchwood/SJA articles, actually! ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Is that Dark Willow, or something else? I'll re-read Spike. I can't recall the Charmed mention, but I was reading it on the train home, so that's probably why. I think maybe the reason I liked Spike was the character of Jeremy. I want one like him.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I did hear that, too! Yes, people on Whedonesque actually said it came across like Whedon was drawing from the modern Doctor Who (although I don't see it that way). Also, Joss said in a humorous interview at Comic-Con recently that he would like to give Russell T Davies a big sloppy kiss, but he politely responded to a fan's question "would you like to write an episode for Torchwood, maybe a musical?" with a diplomatic no, "they're doing fine with me."~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I can imagine (although there is no actual discussion of what Joss thinks of it) is that he likes it for specific ideas/themes/stories, appreciates the campiness but probably criticises the writing. And yeah, Ripper and the BBC Buffyverse would be immense. Show British people how to make TV! Even Dr. Horrible looked more high-budget than most BBC productions.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:41, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with fanwank pseudoscience normally. Although it felt like it got to the point in that last Doctor Who where Donna could do ANYTHING just by stringing words together randomly. I loved The Dark Knight though, and I was able to completely accept all the Bat-Bunker's farout psueoscience, like the machine that reconstructs a thumbprint from a piece of shattered drywall, or the mobile phone-tapping Big Brother Batman cameras, or the balloon that sucked him into a plane. What did you think of it? Best. Film. Ever. No? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

It exceeds all hype and expectation.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe on the talk page, but I think linking to (illegal) scans of a copyright product, and also to livejournal, isn't allowed.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The Charmed snipe was quite harsh, but funny in the context of it being the only thing on TV in Hell. (A bit like the Family Guy joke in the movie where it's some 80s show - possibly Cheers.)~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I was not debating that!~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Allstar Superman is typical cracktastic Morrison stuff. Maybe you might wanna try Birds of Prey TPBs from the Gail Simone era (as they are brilliant).~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 09:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

No, no. That was terrible. The comic isn't very much like the adaptation, although the premise is essentially the same (former Batgirl, now paralysed, kicks ass in a wheelchair with her gal pals).~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 12:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna buy After the Fall till it ends, then I'll wait till Lynch completes his subsequent ventures before I dare touch them! And Birds is in a transitional stage at the moment, between writers, setting up new locations etc. - the best TPB to get (which got me into it!) would be the very last Gail Simone arc. Fucking ace stuff.12:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Cos it's brilliant :P There's no point tracing over 20 years of history of Batgirl and Huntress and Black Canary, just jump in when the story is good and it will explain itself.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 12:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

06/08/08

Well, I am ridiculously excited about Buffy tomorrow (and Final Crisis). A year and a half of buying Season Eight has made me into a full-blown comic book geek. And staying in watching Angel DVDs all day has made me resolve to start a project to rewrite the Cordelia article. You getting the Buffy #17 jitters? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 18:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Err, no. Typical zombie misconception. It's usually confusing, but satisfying. I love Geoff Johns' writing, so Infinite Crisis was great, and I surprisingly like Morrison's Final Crisis (after the lacklustre £100+ spent on its terrible weekly Countdown by Paul Dini). And I own the Angel box sets, of course! What's a Gunther? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't have the Buffys yet. Have all of Veronica Mars (region 1), Joan of Arcadia (region 1), Garfield and Friends and Angel. Didn't bother with series two of Skins. It's been a while since I read Fray, but I remember who Gunther is now. Hmm, someone on S_D speculated Gates was a mistranslation of 'Giles'.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I loved it too, but the dragon was random (I don't imagine dragons would exist outside said promo - an effects demonstration?) Nah, I love Buffy more, but the Angels depreciated in price quicker.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Angel is a bit more noir, but I find a lot of its original characters to be shallowly developed in some ways, as opposed to the Buffy movers (with the exception of Fred, who is brilliant)? Maybe that's me. Do you think it's weird that Angel is the only HUMAN character in After the Fall?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I work Thursdays, never get a chance to pick 'em up on the day :(, unless I've had a majorly good Wednesday night and woken up at some apartment in central Brighton. Might do so tomorrow, if I can get a date or some excuse to wander into the Big City. I'm so pathetic! haha.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

No sex! But picked it up regardless. I loved it! Although I'm thinking what we're not approaching is the mid-season slump as writers get to tell whatever stories they want. I'm not as excited with this despite it being a Fray crossover as I was for the last 3 arcs ... but maybe for each of those I was as excited about who was writing it as much as what they were writing. The Dark Willow reveal was spoiled by the upcoming covers, but I do like the irony of Modern (good) Willow trying to bring Buffy back and Dark Willow being the one to summon her... I wanna see where it goes. Next issue better have Buffy being a lot more assertive and fighty, too :P. ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I can't imagine language ever jumping so far in terms of weirdness. Unless Fray's speech just happens to be as incomprehensible as Buffy's own valley speak purely because that's just her ;). I like Whedon's little joke - as he does love to play with words - when Buffy remarks she should have treated the language better. On that subject, I hear Dollhouse is going to be less rife with Whedonisms and more in line with that dramatic, take-your-glasses-off-suddenly-and-glare-into-the-camera Lost sharp turn-of-phrase. Oh, well, Vaughan's arc WAS very good... Part 1 was very much in the reality of the TV show, which I think a lot of fans liked, but he was also able to incorporate the fantasyish golems, sorcerers and whatnot into it as well very naturally! Plus, Giles got to be badass. Seems to be a bit of a recurring trend, dark witches... Amy, Roden, Kumiko, now Dark Willow. Each arc has had one badass flying witch/warlock.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Jeez, look at this article. Gotta fix the namespace, if not delete it or completely rewrite it.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 21:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you think Saga Vasuki is going to turn out to be connected to Twilight? Surely they are two big powers who both want very different things.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 21:12, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I would like to think Xander, Buffy's chief lieutenant so to speak, might go back in time to honourably try and stop some Very Bad Thing (like Willow going Dark and doing some sort of satanmamma whojit.) But yeah, I considered that Twilight could be the Caleb to the Saga Vasuki, or the Beast to Jasmine, etc.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

18/08/08

Angel #11 was surprisingly good but I felt it was too short. Some explanation of what the hell Gunn is doing is nice, but I dislike Nina's presence (can't picture her voice... too bland), Gwen's fanficcy sudden Connor-love and Fred's mischaracterization (Lynch can't write for her). Otherwise, it's starting to come together, kinda-sorta.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 18:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

The X-Men moved to San Fran? Apparently one might come out soon? Iceman?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the writer said he was definitely going to consider one of the X-Men taking the opportunity to come out now that they've moved city to somewhere they feel more accepted. Warren's line about spreading his wings also rings gayyy to me.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 11:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Especially since Gwen is a character who recently lost her virginity. Well I originally read it on AfterElton [2] but other sites have had the story. Or, non-story, as the writer sounds sort of non-committal about it.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 13:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Are Violent and Vi the same character? Because "Vi" appears on the Time of Your Life covers, and the names are similar. Are we to assume she's gone all leadery for New York, dyed her hair purple and started using her full name? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 13:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC) Nevermind, I just read that's because "VI" looks like a number six in comics, so they call her Violet now.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 13:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Rona was a bitch, but she's got pizzazz! Wait, why do we hate her again? Plus, she sent that decoy on a suicide mission! Or was that under Giles' orders?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 14:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of Simone, I like how Season Eight is crafting all these little plot threads slowly. One of the fears was that with a comic, the plot couldn't evolve as naturally as on TV - it might be strangely linear, simplified or fanfictiony. But what we're getting is, like the TV, lots of little lots about Saga Vasuki, Twilight and his servants, Giles and Faith (I recall Whedon saying they will "play into it" later on), and bad Slayers like Simone... which I am confident will all cohesively come together in one way or another. The kind of cohesive plot thing RTD tries to do with Doctor Who, but always does so in a much more juvenile "can you spot the clue?" way. Can't sing Buffy's praises enough, unlike After the Fall which really DOES play linearly and in a fanfictiony way, despite being (for the most part) quite well-written... but I guess that's because we have no master Joss puppet hands scribbling over everyone's scripts in red marker.~Zythe^{Talk to me!}

Forum-frequenting makes morons out of otherwise smart people. Everyone reassures each other how good it is to "ship" for certain characters to get together, to mourn them like they were real people, and to scream high heaven every time you get a fanservice character appearance. On all those fronts, Lynch (a fan) is writing to please fans. He's bringing in every character he can conceivably include. Buffy is being written extremely professionally, more or less in the "episode" format of the TV series, with a fantastic artist and great guest writers who really capture both the writing and the directorial style (Buffy was always visually engaging!) of the show. I sorta think everyone riding on the back of the dragon is lame, yet I don't mind Xander horseback on Dawn or Giant Dawn battling mecha-Dawn. Your opinion: Go Ask Malice. Non-canon, but maybe close enough until it's superceded by something official. Should I give it a read (after I chug through my mammoth reading list, of course), or leave it out? Since Joss seems to be fans of writers who write his characters well (Lynch with Spike, for example), I'd love if Faith's Kenny was Dawn's "thricewise" too.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 14:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

If he's magical, he can change his appearance? Heh. Um Faith's first crush turned out to be gay? Aww. On SlayAlive, they are currently banding the theory that Twilight could be the Immortal, and Andrew could be working for him in a sudden betrayal / because he too has fallen in love with him. Evidence they give is that the Immortal is powerful enough to always kick Spike and Angel's asses, that he *hates* magic and that he may-or-may-not-be-evil. I dunno if I like that. It certainly works on a story level, but as a character the Immortal would lack dramatic impact as he's usually always unseen. It would be a nice little setup story-wise, though. I don't know how much child-to-parent crossovers work, either; I guess they worked in Doctor Who. Have you seen the beautiful covers with Illyria's true form crushing Angel?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 15:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand why that edit was reverted. The entire Illyria article is a trainwreck (or "work-in-progress", as is preferred) so I felt a little niggly mention of a cover without a citation could just sit there, unharmed. I'm kind of hopeful this means Fred is "alive" again, but wouldn't she be soulless? Unless Cordelia, higher power that she is, somehow rescued Fred's soul (which would be nice). I guess you don't need a soul to be a good person, especially if there's no evil monster in you making you do bad things either. I kind of grew to like Illyria, so maybe the cover is just symbolic of Illyria's rage. Also, what do you think of the final cover? I really like the image of Baby Liam, Young Liam, Angelus, Angel and Old Man Angel! But does Old Man Angel mean Angel never gets vamped again?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 15:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Runge is proficient, but he draws actors moreso than he draws characters. I know what you mean about Fred. The very thought that a soul was destroyed was just so overwhelmingly upsetting when I originally watched it. Especially considering what a good person she was, and the timing. Which of course, was entirely Joss's intention! So yay Joss. But also, boo Joss.15:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

It's good, but the premise has more promise than it delivers on. I'm annoyed with the pace of it; it feels like if it's going for the serialized plot format then it should deliver more with the story. There are enough twists, turns and Summer Glau quips to keep it alive. Thomas Dekker annoys me, and he's semi-pretty but he styles his hair stupidly. I loved the 90s setting it started with, but the contemporary move makes it easier to write. I'm also occasionally bothered by the continuity quibbles (like making the Reese boys alive as children around the time they should be born) but otherwise it's pleasing. I think season two should offer a major improvement. What I WAS impressed by was how even though it ignores T3, it uses what we know FROM it to explain why Cameron brought Sarah to 2007 (to have her alive in a time where leukaemia should have gotten her by now). The shortness of the season also annoyed me, but they couldn't help that.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

T3 is pretty terrible. I read Dekker shaved off his head (and eyebrows) for some music video. Meh, as long as it's gone. He's come along way physically from the faggy chubby kid in Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. Which was amazing, iirc.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)