User talk:SAWme

Welcome[edit]

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And some more[edit]

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To answer you question. I put ticks to show how we can join the dots but can only do it through reliable sources if you are not sure is something is a reliable source you can always ask at WP:RSN (reliable sources noticeboard).

Perhaps an example of what you can do with your sources is the easiest way to go. In my sandboxes|sanbox]] I am many others developing an article on Cromwell's raid one of the players in that was a man called Francis Windebank (Royalist soldier) as Wikpedia had no article on him, I created one based on the text in the Dictionary of National Biography for his father -- see Wikisource:Windebank, Francis (DNB00). To do this I had to extract the article from an OCR version that is kept on Wikisource and put place it where it is now. So having put in the work to extract the article about his father I added said information to his more famous father's article Francis Windebank -- With me so far? (BTW. We can copy copyright expired text strait into an article. The dos and don't are explained in the guideline WP:PLAGIARISM).

So when I expanded the Francis Windebank article it included the line "Two others (daughters) became nuns of the Calvary at the Marais du Temple, Paris". Marais du Temple was a red-link, so I went on line and discovered that there was little in English on it but there was a French Wikipedia article so I copied and translated the lead from the French article and created Temple du Marais as a stub, unfortunately it still does not have citations, but from the pictures it clearly exists so it has not been put up for deletion. But in creating that article another red link was created Michel Villedo. So I created a stub for that. In that case it was much easier to source because there are reliable English language sources for the man.

So as you can see, one can use an article like minor campaigns of 1815 which has the potential to spark a whole level of creativity with missing biographies. It was your edit to the article that prompted me to look up detail on Charles Auguste Creutzer, and as I found enough I created the stub Charles Auguste Creutzer. But that still leave open the question "how do you know that Siborne was referring to Charles Auguste Creutzer when he wrote General Kreutzer and not some other General Kreutzer? What is your source for saying he was the commandant of the Fortress of Bitsch?". As soon as a source can be found that say that we can modify the text or create an redirect

As to where to put your findings. Do you have a tab next to talk called [Sandbox] if so it should link to User:SAWme/sandbox you can put the links there and develop articles. The "/" represents a sub page (in this cause under your user name). As you can see here I have about a score, including 3 sandboxes of which the contents of this one and a library may interest you, as yet you have none.

-- PBS (talk) 16:47, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Minor Campaigns of 1815 "General" Information[edit]

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I've tried to tidy up my work some more. I started by looking through this article for any general officers that didn't already have a good "link" to information about that individual. My interest in this was provoked by the wide variety of spelling of names between various accounts of the Hundred Days. There are many reasons for this, but it makes identifying them a real "bitsch". For instance, if you were to look for gen."Kreutzer" you might find some Germans from that era, but nothing about the right guy. When finished I hope to provide more accurate information about the generals mentioned in this article, in the form of a short list. Is placing it under "Talk" the best way? When finished may I eliminate the "technical" communications, such as this? I had 2 purposes for providing "links"; #1 to provide confirmation where possible & #2 to show other places within wikipedia where they are mentioned. Is #2 of any use within "wikiworld"? I'll sort them out & describe them better. After "Lemoine" gets a couple of checks, what then? To be continued.SAWme (talk) 08:20, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SAWme, I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for in regards to help. When people look up Kreutzer it takes them to a disambiguation page. If no General Kreutzer is listed it usually means it has not been added or the article does not exist. If you wish to make the article about the general, the typical format is <First and Last Name> (i.e. James Meade). If more than one person share the first and last name you use their identifier in the article title such as John Smith (academic). Then in any article you wanted you would write the name as [[John Smith (academic)|John Smith]] and it would appear like this: John Smith and still direct to the academic.

Creating a compendium of mistakes from reference material is generally not worth making a standalone article. You could assemble the list on a talk page but it would be archived relatively quickly and stored. Also it may borderline original research if your findings are not supported by independent and reliable sources. Some times WikiProjects track this sort of information or users simply put it in their subpages. As far as creating a resource for readers to go in hand with the article it's best to simply mention in the article if historical accounts regarding names are often misspelled or inaccurate (with a reliable source supporting your statement) and leave it there. Mkdw ^talk 01:32, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

After looking at your contributions it seems you're making a list of articles you want to create but do not exist. That can be done on the talk page but again it will likely be archived eventually and stored. WikiProjects usually keep a list of requested articles to be created or users put a list of articles they want to create in their sandbox on user page. Mkdw ^talk 01:35, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More "general" help[edit]

I do not wish to create new pages, just provide better information about the Generals that are not already well-identified within this page. Based on the replies so far (THANK YOU) I think the next step should be for me to insert "my" name for these fellows into the text where they first occur, then footnote & "link" them the best I can. BUT I NEED HELP! Let us start with "Lemoine". When you try to edit hie name it appears as Lemoine

He seems o.k. to identify.

From the talk page Talk:Minor campaigns of 1815

To illuminate what I have written above you gave a source with a comment

Joseph Marie Quérard, et al, (1854) La littérature française contemporaine. XIXe siècle: Le tout accompagné de notes biographiques et littéraires, Volume 5, pp. 75-6, Daguin frères. -- states that he [Lemoine, Louis (comte)(1754-1842)], the minister of war in 1815, and Comandant of Mézières responsible for the defence of Mézières and its and the citadel.

That ticks both boxes it is a reliable sourceYes and it explicitly tells us that he was responsible for the defence of Mézières in 1815.Yes So we can add that fact to the article. -- PBS (talk) 15:42, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

This is the info. I had:

Lemoine, Louis (comte)(1754-1842) was appointed commandant of Mézières June 6,1815, surrendered to Hake on August 10, but remained the commandant - December 1816. (Six vol.II pg.105))

fr:Louis Lemoine

Lemoine as commandant of Mézières from the internet:

наполеон и революция (in Russian [It's not good when the Russians have better information about French generals than the French])

I have added under References

(French) Six, Georges (1934). Dictionnaire biographique des généraux & amiraux Français de la Révolution et de l'Empire (1792-1814). Paris, Librairie Saffroy, 2 volumes.

Can someone footnote & link his name in the article? I will look at what was done & try to move forward from there.

SAWme (talk) 12:20, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will do this one but, it has to be based on the the source I found (Joseph Marie Quérard (1854))because it specifically states he was a commandant of a place we are interested in.

What we really need first are articles on these people and then we can link to them. There is no need to make the initial article large see for example:

Pierre-Marie Taillepied, Comte de Bondy -- which I have created on the last 24 hours because I needed it for an article on Wikisource -- I created it by copying the lead from the French article, and a reliable source I found on the internet.
Charles Auguste Creutzer which I created because of your edit to Minor campaigns of 1815 but I am still waiting for you to produce a source that says he held the position you stated with your edit.

-- PBS (talk) 14:55, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have had a further look and between fr:Louis Lemoine and this source:

Moody, T. W.; McDowell, R.B.; Woods, C. J. (2007), The Writings of Theobald Wolfe Tone 1763-98, Volume 3: France, the Rhine, Lough Swilly and Death of Tone (January 1797 to November 1798), vol. 3 (illustrated ed.), Oxford University Press, p. 226, footnote 4, ISBN 9780198208808

I think we have enough to create a stub called "Louis Lemoine". Do you want to write it (and then I'll edit it) or would you like me to write it and you edit it? When you click on a red link it takes you to a blank page with that name. All you have to do is write something, and save it.

I have also found this French source:

Michaud, Louis-Gabriel (1842), Biographie universelle, ancienne et moderne: supplément, ou Suite de l'histoire, par ordre alphabétique, de la vie publique et privée de tous les hommes qui se sont fait remarquer par leur écrits, leurs actions, leurs talents, leurs vertus ou leurs crimes, vol. 71, Chez L.-G. Michaud, Libraire-Éditeur, pp. 273–275

Which is quite detailed and because it is in the Public Domain we can translate it and copy it into the article, providing attribute it to the original author. (WP:PLAGARISM). However it is a little worrying because it says he was the commandant in 1814 not 1815.

-- PBS (talk) 17:32, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Auguste Creutzer[edit]

I am confused by your comment on talk:Charles Auguste Creutzer. I think perhaps you added some text but did not save it, as the only addition to the article made by you is this. -- PBS (talk) 08:06, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Minor campaigns of 1815[edit]

I am going to revert your addition of a see also section to Minor campaigns of 1815 as your addition is not what See also sections are for. Please read WP:Layout#See also section. See the "See also" sections of the Hundred Days and Battle of Waterloo (closely related articles) for examples of see also sections. -- PBS (talk) 11:08, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting[edit]

I noticed that sometimes you have occasional placed an "&" in the text of articles -- as there is plenty of room in article space the use of "&" is discouraged see WP:AMP (It is part of the Wilipedia|Manual of Style (commonly called the MOS)). Also I personally prefer dates in the format "Day Month Year", which is usual in British English. If the article has strong ties to a nationality, the English used should reflect that. For others it should not be changed from one style to another once a style is established. I think that biographies on the Napoleonic wars should on the whole be in British English (because many of that era are linked to British English articles), but, apart from those such as the Battle of Trafalgar which have strong national ties to Britain this is just an opinion not back up with any guidance. However if you are going to use American style dating of "Month Day, Year" then please leave a gap after the comma and before the year (which is part of the MOS (see WP:DATEFORMAT). -- PBS (talk) 12:42, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Second Battle of Kulm[edit]

I did a Google search on [village of d'Arbesau on 17 September] it threw up enough links for me to be able to write a short stub on Second Battle of Kulm.

You may find Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history interesting. -- PBS (talk) 00:49, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Friedrich, Freiherr von Zoller[edit]

With regards to this this, I'm glad to see that since then you have found your sand box. Is it tabbed at the top of your Wikipedia page under Sandbox? (That tab is new and so don't know if I've turned it on some how in my profile or if everyone sees it).

I have lots and lots on the go, (just look at my sandboxes my alternative account for AWB, admin issues (eg here) and modifying guidelines and process (see here) and so I tend to work on a stack principle (last in first out) -- Whatever I am most recently reminded of I do.

So now it is top of my pile :-> regarding Friedrich, Freiherr von Zoller and Wikisource:de:ADB:Zoller, Friedrich Freiherr von would you like to do that or would you like me to give it a go? -- PBS (talk) 12:27, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done! A copy edit would improve it :-) -- PBS (talk) 11:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]