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Copyright problem on Road ecology

Material you included in the above article appears to have been copied from the copyright web page http://www.moef.nic.in/assets/Linear%20intrusions%20background%20paper.pdf. Copying text directly from a source is a copyright violation. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. I did notice that you appear to be the author of the material that was copied. Regardless of the copyright issue, you should not be citing your own research or adding it to this wiki. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 15:03, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Diannaa for bringing this to my attention. I appreciate the point about not citing own research, but the document concerned is primarily a review of research studies carried out by others presented as a background paper and part of official Government of India proceedings. As far as I am aware, this places it in the public domain. I am basing this on (a) the Guidelines for Indian Government Websites (Chapters 3 and 4), (b) the copyright policy of the environment ministry website which states (as on date):

"Material featured on this site may be reproduced free of charge in any format or media without requiring specific permission. This is subject to the material being reproduced accurately and not being used in a derogatory manner or in a misleading context. Where the material is being published or issued to others, the source must be prominently acknowledged. However, the permission to reproduce this material does not extend to any material on this site, which is explicitly identified as being the copyright of a third party. Authorisation to reproduce such material must be obtained from the copyright holders concerned."

and (c) the document is not explicitly under third party copyright (referred in b above). If you think I am mistaken, please do clarify so that I can rework the edits. If you agree, perhaps you can consider reverting at least the edits that refer to other literature and I can continue to improve the section with fresh content and citations. Thanks for your attention! Shankar Raman (talk) 02:12, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion that license is not liberal enough for use on Wikipedia, because of the wording "This is subject to the material being reproduced accurately and not being used in a derogatory manner or in a misleading context", whereas our license permits the work to be edited, used, and redistributed by anyone for any purpose whatosever, provided the terms of one of the licenses that Wikipedia's text is licensed under are followed. These licenses are the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike license (CC-BY-SA) and GNU Free Documentation License. Under current copyright law, literary works are subject to copyright whether they are tagged as such or not. No registration is required, and no copyright notice is required. So the statement that material is PD unless stated otherwise is incorrect. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 02:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point, although I am not sure I agree that it creates a constraint in this specific case (also given that even if there were copyright, it would be with me and I am happy to release under a liberal license or with the Ministry for which the above policy applies). Nevertheless, I recognize that there could still be some unresolved issues, so, to take this ahead, it seems best to start the section from scratch and focus on reliable sources. Thank you for your inputs. Shankar Raman (talk) 05:52, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ways to improve Primate Conservation (journal)

Hi, I'm Nick Moyes. Shankar Raman, thanks for creating Primate Conservation (journal)!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Much as it grieves me, I cannot find third party sources to show that this journal meets our notability guidelines. Anything you can add which supports its significance would be immensely helpful to ensuring this article is retained. Sorry I've had to flag it in this way. It may end up having to become a WP:REDIRECT to IUCN_Species_Survival_Commission#Primate_Specialist_Group

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

Nick Moyes (talk) 20:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nick Moyes, I have added some additional information and references. This journal contains significant publications of many new primate species and is notable for that, too. I feel one should retain this page for a while and more significant information is likely to be added.--Shankar Raman (talk) 11:48, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - at a quick glance that has certainly helped. I've removed the notability tag, though it wouldn't stop someone else re-adding it, or even submitting any article to a WP:AfD discussion. I certainly won't be! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:09, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks, done. Reduced image resolution and used on one page now. Shankar Raman (talk) 04:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Ecology, Economy and Society–The INSEE Journal

The article Ecology, Economy and Society–The INSEE Journal has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG.

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Hi Randykitty, I have added a reference and a link to the India's University Grants Commission list of reputed journals, which is like a go-to list for reliable academic journals for Indian academics. Does this meet the notability criteria based on a reliable source? As this journal is still relatively new, it possibly has not been indexed in other bibliographies. It is a journal published by a reputed institute with scholarly contributions from some leading economists and ecologists in India, open access and articles are CC-by-SA NC 4.0. Do take a look and remove the proposed deletion if you agree. Shankar Raman (talk) 04:59, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm sorry, but that reference has no bearing on notability. Neither does the fact that the journal is published by a reputed institute. The journal simply is too young to have become notable yet. --Randykitty (talk) 07:34, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Randykitty, Ok, got it. So perhaps as suggested in best practices one can retain a section about the journal in the page of the publisher instead. Although, I must say that when researching this on WP pages, I noticed several journals that apparently do not report being listed in bibliographic databases and do not cite any reliable external sources either; e.g.: Journal of Lipid Research, Biologia, Alces (journal), Growth Factors (journal). I assumed that these are taken as stubs of notable journals that will be expanded in the future. This journal is notable in that it is the only journal in the field of Ecological Economics published from South Asia to my knowledge, which is why I had decided to go for it. Shankar Raman (talk) 12:33, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, I have no time to look into all of those, but the Journal of Lipid Research has an impact factor, so although it is not mentioned in the article, it must be indexed in the Science Citation Index Expanded (at a minimum). Also, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. If you see articles that don't meet our ,notability standards (and you fail to find reliable sources that would show notability), then feel free to nominate them for deletion. Being the only journal in a specific field is not really a claim to notability if nobody has found it necessary to report on that feat... In the present case, there is at least one other journal in this area. --Randykitty (talk) 12:49, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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