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Ayyavazhi

You might want to check out the reply to your request, at RfD#July 13. Noel (talk) 16:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

On Renaming Ayyavazhi

Welcome, you were in the discussion page of Ayyavazhi and questioned, is Ayyavazhi a single word or two. Ayyavazhi is the combination of two words Ayya(Father)+ Vazhi(Pathway) which means 'The pathway of Father' ('Father' represents God). And you suggests to rename the article. On my vision it seems not a right thing, because that religious phenomenon was identified with that exact name in South India. Kindly consider my suggestion which says 'no' for renaming it. Also you are welcomed for further suggestion related to that topic. -Vaikunda Raja

Title Vaikunda Avatharam

I am here to suggest that though the two titles seems alike they were extremely different. While the topic Ayya Vaikundar tells the Incarnation of Vaikundar which follows the the life of Muthukutty, the title Vaikunda Avatharam narrates in a mythical way following the life of Sampooranathevan. According to Akilattirattu Sampooranathevan was one among the Devas, who takes birth in this world. Mind you Sampooranathevan was a mythical figure while Muthukutty was an ordinary man in the society who was also noted in the history. Also the name Muthukutty was not even mentioned once in Akilattirattu. So in brief the title Ayya Vaikundar views the incarnation in a historical point while the title Vaikunda Avatharam views it from a mythical point. So better the title not to redirect. If you still feels uncomfortable please send me messages . Iam the one who created that article and as Mel Etitis says in the discussion page Iam not a native to English and not so fluent with the language. So please understand my difficulties and try to do your best in helping me in writing articles. -Vaikunda Raja

Ayyavazhi

The first time I heard about this religion/sect is on my talk page. Also, I'm currently not able to find enough time to work actively on Wikipedia. Hence I might not be able to contribute much to Ayyavazhi-related articles. However, from time to time I might remember your message, or otherwise stumble upon an Ayyavazhi article. In that case I would try to copyedit some of these articles.

I notice that this religion "shares" some of the deities with Hinduism, e.g. Sivan. Most Tamilians like me would expect Sivan to lead to an article on Shiva rather than a deity in a religion/sect with few believers. There really are thousands of branches of Hinduism, but obviously we shouldn't be having thousand articles for that. For example, we have only one main article about Jesus. I don't know how to deal with that so I leave it for others to figure out.

BTW AFAIK in Tamil "Ayya" means master. Probably it might be used for "father" in certain dialects but I'm not sure. -- Paddu 19:52, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Ayya

Thanks for your work. You realised almost every thing rightly and done good. But you mistook a little and I made correction on that. Now please view the article so that you can find out that corrections. - Vaikunda Raja

Maya

'Maya' is a tamil word synonymous to illusion and not of Mayan people of Mexico.- Vaikunda Raja

Merging of three gods with trimurti article

Steve, we are having a discussion about whether we should merge threegod heads with trimurti in ayya vazhi articl on it.

I said perhaps. what do you think?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Three_godheads_%28Ayyavazhi%29

Raj2004 22:02, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Ayya Vaikundar

You were in the discussion page get confused with Tharuvai and Parvatha Uchi Malai.It was asked some ten days back, but only now I noticed. Tharuvai is a costal village in the district of Tirunelveli.And Parvatha Uchi Malai was a mythical mountain found in Ayyavazhi Mythology.According to Akilattirattu Vaikundar take the Human Body from one 'Tharuvai'.It was generally belived that it was this Tharuvai village. But some writters in Ayyavazhi gives Phylosophical meaning to this word and thereby states that Vaikundar came without a human body.Again sorry for the delay. - Vaikunda Raja

Vaikundar and Sampooranathevan

See the discussion page of Ayya Vaikundar for details. – Vaikunda Raja

Physical science

Nice work. Maurreen (talk) 17:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

From Raja

Yes I was '61.2.234.160.' Changes had been made in Ayya Vaikundar.Please have a look. Then though the articles Ayya Vaikundar seems similar to some contents of Ayyavazhi Mythology they were different that was mythology while Article Vaikundar was the God focused by it.It is better to provide appropriate links.I have created an article Ayyavazhi Trinity and I also request you to do some copyedits. Because I was not a native to English and my usage may not be in the right way. Thank you for your edits, and not merely for words, I say, they were pretty well - Vaikunda Raja

Swamithope

The name recognised by state govt is Swamithope,that's right.I think ,not sure, the telephone department of the central Govt recognized it as Swamithoppe. Anyway that's not a problem but while the redirection care should be taken that the messages in different article should not be missed. Thank You. - Vaikunda Raja

Page names, redirects, etc

Hi, a couple of things:

• RfD notices go on the redirect itself, not the target page, the talk page, etc.
• Comments about what to do with an article always go on the Talk: page of the article.
• Never, ever, cut-and-paste to move a page from one name to another. Use the "move this page" link.

Hope this helps. Noel (talk) 23:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

You put the {rfd} notice on Swamithope, which was an actual article (with content). You don't use WP:RfD to delete articles. If you wanted to turn it into a redirect, you don't use WP:RfD for that either. WP:RfD is just for deleting redirects.

You might want to review meta:Help:Redirect and Wikipedia:Redirects to gain a better understanding of how redirects work, etc. Noel (talk) 03:32, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Vaikundar

Sorry for a mistake. On a deep reading of Akilam I found that the child born to Ponnu and Veiyelal did not died, after the birth but born dead.I've made changes in the article. - Vaikunda Raja

Ayyavazhi Godheads

See the Talk:Three godheads (Ayyavazhi) for detail.Thank You. - Vaikunda Raja

Steve, to compare with Advaita, Ekam is Nirguna Brahman. The various forms of God, Saguna Brahman, is akin to three Godheads in AyyaVazhi.

I think that's what I had concluded after talking with Vaikunda.

Raj2004 01:00, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

New Article

I've created a new article Boons Offered to Kaliyan. Please have a look Thank You. - Vaikunda Raja

Christian Missionary Reports

The source of this article is a book from Department of Christian Studies of University of Madras. Soon I will place appropriate page numbers of the reports from the book.Thank you. - வைகுண்ட ராஜா

References

Steven, I've placed page numbers for the Christian Missionary Reports. As mentioned earlier, the source of this article is a book, from Department of Christian Studies of University of Madras. This page numbers is placed as foot notes for the reports in that book. I serched in net for the details of the reports, but can't. So with me, there's no other details.Thank you - வைகுண்ட ராஜா

• Title (Book):Religion and Subaltern Agency
• Publisher: G.Patrick (Department of Christian Studies,University of Madras)
• City of Publication: Chennai
• Date of Publication: 02 August 2003

- வைகுண்ட ராஜா

G.Patrick is the Author. (individual)

Sorry, I don't know what ARTDC means. It was like that, in the foot note. - வைகுண்ட ராஜா

Thanks Steve, I found it. It was Annual Report of the Travancore District Committee in Connection with the LMS - வைகுண்ட ராஜா

Sorry Steve, I can't understood. Please put in other words. - வைகுண்ட ராஜா

Now please have a look in the article. Have things placed in the right way? - வைகுண்ட ராஜா

1001 techs

I've listed the 1001 technologies article for deletion and wanted to mention why: In a nutshell, it's listed because it's completely arbitrary -- why 1001? what constitutes a technology? how does the list, in and of itself, benefit the project? In short, there are no objective criteria that I can determine, nor does there appear to be standalone value. An arbitrary list with an artificial cutoff (which "technology" obviously requires) will be unavoidably biased, and a complete or near-complete list isn't feasible for a regular entry (that's what category classification is for). Lomn 15:43:43, 2005-08-11 (UTC)

Ayya Vaikundar

Hi Steve, I’ve expanded the article Ayya Vaikundar. Though they says the same thing in the page Ayyavazhi mythology, I think that it is important that it should be here, because these things links to the life of Vaikundar. I was not against shrinking it but, I think each facts, especially topics, should be there. - வைகுண்ட ராஜா

You did a nice job

I like what you did with this page Thank you. --Admiral Roo 11:24, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

New work

Steve,I've created a new article Kosas.Please take a look. Thank You.

வைகுண்ட ராஜா

Vivekananda

Steve, The fact that Vivekananda only after visiting swamithoppe, wear head gear is a major claim among some of Ayyavazhi, particularly among old people.The old people says that their father had seen Vivekananda in Swamithoppe.In that time, during the late 19th century wearing head gear is a matter of pride and low castes were not alowed to wear that.But in Ayyavazhi Only with that one will be allowed in side the worship centers.It was ment by Vaikundar to propose that all people were kings to rule. I think that this fact is closely related to Vivekananda's way, Advaita. On the other hand on my point of view, in this matter of Vivekananda's head gear the reason preasented by Vedantha society is too hard to digest.In one of their book I read that he first worn it,by a suggestion from the king of Khetri, during a desert journey, and from that he found it more comfort and thereby continued.You might have heared about Vivekananda.Though he was a saint undoubtfully he was a man of extra-ordinary thought. And all my suggestion is such a skilled man dosn't do any thing without reason.

Also the main teaching of Vivekananda is to bring Advaita in practice or Practical Advaita. In Ayyavazhi the practice of wearing headgear, the worship in front of mirror are seeming match to practical Advaita. Then the philosophy of Ayyavazhi is mostly monistic which was similar to Advaita. Then the date which was presented on which Vivekananda visited Kanyakumari (24th December, Tamil month 'Margazhi- 9, saturday.)is the 16th day of the 'seventeen day festival', Thiru Edu Vasippu in Swamthoppe.(Thiru Edu Vasippu is the festival of melodiouse reading of Akilattirattu Ammanai and completing). Then with the headgear he went to Suchindrum Temple. There he was asked to remove the head gear. When he refused he was not allowed to enter the temple. So Vivekananda called Kerala, (This area is thaen the part of Travancore,Kerala) as 'tent of mads'. This is a proof that when Vivekananda leaves Kanyakumari he had gear in his head. Then the opinion of Vivekananda is, it is from a thought all the uiverse originated. In Akilam several times the same thing repeated that by 'destroying the thought' all will become one. Also, I've read many speeches of Vivekananda and found, many concepts of him revolves around the thoughts of Akilam, especially the concept of origin of time and place. All these created a deep thought in my mind that Vivekananda must be influenced with Ayyavazhi.

Besides all these few days before I found that Dr.C.Poulose in his research book 'Advaita Philosophy of Brahmasri Chattampi Swamikal', had notted that Atmananda Swamikal was a deciple of Ayya Vaikundar, and he learned the Marmavidya in Sidha vidya and ghecherividya (Chinmudra) from Ayya Vaikundar. And Atmanada Swamikal taught all these vidyas to his disciple Sri Chattambi Swamikal. When Swami Vivekananda was arriver in Ernakulam, Sri Chattambi Swamikal taught this chinmudra to him. He also noted that Narayana Guru, Sri Nilakanta Tirthapada and Tirthapada Paramahamasa were all the disciples of Atmananda Swamikal. But none of them were mentioned in Akilattirattu.

By here as Raj2004, I think that Vivekananda was indirectly a disciple of Ayya Vaikundar.

What is your opinion? Can we use this as reference in the article Vivekananada and show his influence to Ayyavazhi?Please place your opinion.

Also this was discusssed with Raj2004 earlier. - வைகுண்ட ராஜா

3 strikes

You would be well advised to cite a source on your assertion that batters could try to go to first on a caught third strike until 1950. I don't know everything about the game, but I never heard of that rule. In contrast, the rule allowing the batter to run to first (if unoccupied) on a not-caught third strike has been around since the early days of the game. Wahkeenah 03:26, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Take a gander at this, from the so-called "Knickerbocker Rules" from 1845 [1]: "11TH. Three balls being struck at and missed and the last one caught, is a hand-out; if not caught is considered fair, and the striker bound to run." Wahkeenah 03:31, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

OK, I believe the source will be The Rules of Baseball: A History of How They Developed by David Nemec, The Lyons Press, 1994, but I am checking on that. Thanks for the heads-up. Steven McCrary 15:05, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Civil Engineering page: Tertiary qualifications

I have explained what teritary means at the Civil eng. talk. I'm not sure what an American friendly term would be, what do you suggest?--Commander Keane 02:37, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

New Article

Steve, Here's a new article Sampooranathevan,Take a look. Thank You. - வைகுண்ட ராஜா

Our audience

Hi, I happened to run across fluid pressure, by way of water pressure (the latter now a redir). When writing articles on technical subjects, I try and write for our general audience; i.e. people who have little or no technical education (e.g. the typical sales-person who had only general science in high school, and slept through a lot of that). Your text in these two articles, while nice, was really more suitable for people who have had, e.g., an introductory undergrad physics class. Putting in the techical rigour and depth is OK, but you might want to trying putting it at the back of the article, with a lengthier section suitable for general readers at the front. Noel (talk) 04:58, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks, I'll go look at it in a second. While I'm here, if you get that "Not responding" error message (ot whatever it says when you click on "Save Page"), just click 'back' on your browser, and click on "Page history" button; 90+% of the time, I find that the edit did in fact go in, I just got the error message anyway. If it did not go in, click 'back' again, and hit "Save Page" again (and repeat, if necessary :-). That way you can avoid filling up the edit history (not to mention the disk :-) with duplicate copies of the same edit. Noel (talk) 20:23, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

New article on Ayyavazhi

Steve, here is a new article Thirumal in Thiruvananthapuram and needs a major work. Please do. - வைகுண்ட ராஜா.

Steve, take a look on Talk:Sampooranathevan - வைகுண்ட ராஜா

New article

Steve, I've created a new article, Venneesan. - வைகுண்ட & ராஜா

Take a look on expanded articles Kaliyan and Kalicchi.

Steve, I've created a new article. Take a look into Rules and Regulations to God-heads. - Vaikunda & Raja

Cfd

Steve, we had some interaction on The Shawshank Redemption, and I'm just trying to drum up support for a deletion that was overruled by some jokers last time. If you have a second, please vote on this: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_September_29#Category:User_la-N. --Flex 15:26, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

New

Steve, again a new article Tatvas. Take a look. - Vaikunda & Raja

Boilerplate RFP

I've modified your Wikipedia:Boilerplate requests for permission template, changing "Wikipedia is a complete, open-content, multilingual encyclopedia, that strives for reliable content." to "Wikipedia is an multilingual open-content encyclopedia that strives for complete and reliable content." because we clearly aren't yet complete. I don't think you'll mind the change but I wanted to let you know. Superm401 | Talk 05:08, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Featured Picture delisting

Hi Steven,

Sorry I didn't notice your comment from a month ago on Wikipedia_talk:Featured_pictures#Pic_of_Day. But better late than never, I've put an answer there about the de-featuring process. -- Solipsist 16:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Kaliyan

Welcome back steve and now please take a look to Talk:Kaliyan - Vaikunda ^{(<.^.>)} Raja

Sports memorabilia

Hello, I noticed your revert of my edits removing Sports memorabilia from the Category:Technology etc. Could you please explain the reasoning behind calling memorabilia a technology? Thank you. -- Rmrfstar 13:26, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Steve, thank you for your kind words on Evolution Talk. --Nowa 01:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Additions to Ayyavazhi

Hai Steve, I've added some thing to Ayyavazhi.Please take a look to Ayyavazhi#Inclusivistic_and_Exclusivistic_Ideas - Vaikunda ^{(<.^.>)} Raja

Loga and Yukam

Steve, I think loga is the Tamil name for loka, a Sanskrit term for world, while yukam is the Tamil name for yuga.

Hope this helps.

Raj2004 14:39, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Bill O'Reilly page

Lack of neutrality and unverified, false claims about O'Reilly are the reasons for the tags. I have made this clear on the Talk page. Am happy to discuss but I don't think they should be removed. Fluterst 20:33, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, the article should be marked - possibly permanently so that no one is misled into thinking it's a valid encyclopedia article. It's a hatchet job. Fluterst 20:38, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

My apologies, I have noticed many people don't even read the changes I make, including correcting typos. So I know what's it like. There is a real problem with many of the references anyway, they don't support the claims they pretend to in many cases. Fluterst 20:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey I've just realized you're mediating on the article. What does that mean? Can you help us address the bias and unverified nature of many of its claims. Fluterst 21:01, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

That's great. The article is quite funny in a way. Anything O'Reilly says is a "claim." He "targets" people he doesn't like. He is not - despite a lifetime of work as one - a "journalist." Even his college football career was faked apparently (no source). He can only be referred to as a "conservative" despite his liberal views on many issues. Viewpoint is "viepoint" (reverted many times). There's so much more, most of what I object to is summarized by the hostile tone and lack of neutrality and the series of serious and unsourced claims. I think the article is far too long also. Fluterst 21:19, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

A spelling mistake frequently re-inserted by those reverting my edits. Not intentionally I presume.Fluterst 21:33, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes Steven, I agree, my point is that when I started editing it read "viepoint." I have changed it several times to "viewpoint." I has been changed back several times. Now I'm not even sure if it's in the article. The substantive point is that some are reverting changes they haven't even read fully. Why would they do that? Fluterst 21:46, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

With just a few exceptions, cannot fault your edits which are greatly reducing bias and length in the O'Reilly article. I still don't get the reluctance to call a 30 year journalist a journalist. That's what he is, it's not meant as praise or an insult. It's a bit like refusing to call the editor of the New York Times a journalist because he's editing now. Fluterst 01:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

WP:TINMC

Hi, you're down as being an an active cabalist. Is that still true? There are plenty of cases awaiting mediator response, please drop by if you can! Dan100 (Talk) 10:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about the offense

I am sorry about causing offense with the Willow Creek talk page. I did not mean to "remove" your entry, but rather to tie it to the thread to which it belonged. I find it disorienting when people create new headings for statements which are part of an existing talk page conversation. The mediation request by User:Mshuflin dealt specifically with the conflict between him and User:Fides_Viva, not with the article as a whole. Therefore, your reference did not belong under its own heading, but rather under a subheading of that conversation. I know that modification of content by other users in a talk page is poor etiquette, but I did not think that modifying structure, at least when done subtlely, was cause for offense, as no other user has yet complained about my introduction of conventional threading indentation into the Willow Creek talk page. Do not accuse me of "changing content", as content is distinct and separate from structure. However, I will carefully review the Wikipedia Etiquette guide to inform my future edits.--John Hupp 00:21, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!

Thank you Steven for your quick and helpful response. I made some changes you suggested, and I am hoping that it will result in both sides being happy, I noted the reasons for making the new page on the Criticisms of Mega Churches article, and on Fides Viva's Talk page. I also credited Fides Viva on the Criticisms of Mega Churches talk page

Thanks for all the help and suggestions and keeping me on track with the guidlines and everything. I am new and I have a lot to learn --Mshuflin 01:07, 23 December 2005 (UTC)