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I did delete your "United Effort Plan" article, because articles containing only links to other websites are not allowed in Wikipedia. Try recreating the article with information about the website. Academic Challenger 08:04, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Good job on the FLDS update[edit]

Good job on the FLDS update, adding the picture of the temple, etc (I was eventually going to do that) -- I am not LDS (far from it) but I understand how folks like that (FLDS) ruin LDS's reputation -- keep up the good work...

I'll take a look. Tom Haws 17:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Golden Plates[edit]

I may have been a bit abrupt in my reply to your questioning of the neutrality of the Golden Plates page. The page has been pretty stable for some weeks now, but if the information given there needs more citation, we can work on that. I've archived previous talk page posts so that we'll have an uncluttered field if we need it. All the best, --John Foxe 19:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

grammar was correct[edit]

I'm not trying to embarrass you I'm just pointing out the "correction" you made on the lost 116 pages was incorrect. The area between the commas was a parenthetical interjection, so the "and" is unnecessary. It should read as a coherent sentence without the interjection. So therefore the sentence should read: "Before returning home after two weeks, Lucy searched the Smith house and grounds for the plates, but because Smith did not need their physical presence to create the transcription, they were reportedly hidden in a nearby woods, she was unable to locate them."

With the interjection removed it should still be coherent: "Before returning home after two weeks, Lucy searched the Smith house and grounds for the plates, but because Smith did not need their physical presence to create the transcription and she was unable to locate them." As you can see, it doesn't make sense with the "and" there when the interjection is removed. I will quietly revert the mistake and also feel free to remove this from your page if you wish. Twunchy 04:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Of course, you're right. Nevertheless, the original sentence (especially seen in edit mode) was confusing.--John Foxe 10:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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Your edits to Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints[edit]

Information.svg Please do not add content without citing reliable sources, especailly after it was previously removed, as you did to Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Your edits: link. Thank you. —Christopher Mann McKaytalk 07:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Recent FLDS Church edits[edit]

Why did you add a big section on history there when all the information was already in the article later on? Work on what's already there; there is no need to duplicate all the information in the article.

The lds.org citation you are providing is terribly biased and POV, as it attempts to claim that the term "Mormon" can only be used to describe the LDS Church. Rich Uncle Skeleton (talk) 01:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Will you please address these issues on the Talk:Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints instead of violating the 3RR rule by reverting endlessly. There is some logic to my edits, none of which you have addressed, and your behavior suggests that you may think you own the page. Please discuss to avoid the involvement of administrators. Thanks. Rich Uncle Skeleton (talk) 04:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Golden Plates[edit]

I have just reviewed the article, and it needs a bit of formatting work before being promoted to GA status. Other than that, it really is a terrific article. Zeus1234 16:13, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Golden Plates[edit]

You seem to be letting your bias affect your edit. Did he not say that? The edit I made was accurate, yet your reversal of the edit changes the meaning back to the assumption that his claim is 100% factual when this is clearly in dispute by most anyone who has knowledge of the subject and is not a Mormon. Sources such as this seem to refute much in this article. ++Arx Fortis (talk) 05:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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Re Signed Contribs[edit]

I just made two edits on Talk:Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints#"Origins" subsection changes that i should explain. (In both cases, i understand the good faith that obviously underlay your relevant changes, i see no need for you to be concerned about the past events, and i could argue that that is more important to get across than the rest of what i'm saying here.)
You'll surely have noticed editors and even bots remedying editors' omissions to sign their contribs on talk pages, AfD debates, and the like. You may decide that this concern of mine makes me an annoying compulsive jerk (which i am), but i hope you will find that the hazards i raise are (tho rarely) potentially significant and avoidable without great effort, and thus sufficient reason for drawing clean lines between confusion-free procedures and a slippery slope where forged contribs would routinely disrupt discussions, and perhaps occasionally fraudulently prevent or reverse consensuses.
The principles i commend to you are:

  1. Quote what you're commenting on in your response, rather than inserting your response after: if well-formated, the first comment is clear, but not everyone finds it easy to format it well, and even well-formated, it gets confusing if there are multiple insertions. (And even in simple cases, it can be easy to see what's being commented on and the response as covered by the responder's sig, and only what follows the response as covered by the original sig.)
  2. If you are revising your own comment, preserve the original version (whether by stating your changes after it, or by using typography to make clear which parts apply to the new or old version only, and which to both) in the new revision (bcz checking in the history is rare and laborious), and show both corresponding UTC times/dates: someone may have copied your first version elsewhere, or responded to it without your noticing the impact of your change on what they've said, so you may make them look like a fool or a forger; someone may even be in the midst of responding to your original version when you make your corrections, and not notice you've corrected, or notice and have to laboriously rework their response bcz you've destroyed the context that they've relied upon in good faith; in my case (looking at all the changes since my own edit), i wasted time figuring out how to deal with what at first seemed to be the blog-defender forging in a site that they preferred, as if you'd recommended it!)
    --Jerzyt 07:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

John Foxe artist?[edit]

That was rather unexpected...can you possibly flesh out the authorship section on your Joseph Smith Translation artwork, what medium, computer created etc?? I actually like it...how's that for a shocker? Well done. Twunchy (talk) 00:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment, but I was more facilitator than artist. When we were discussing the copyrighted image, another editor wrote, "The image is used solely as an artist's illustration of an imagined scene. It could be replaced, without loss of information, by a free drawing you or I or Jimbo Wales could create, of a guy sitting on a chair and holding a hat before his eyes. Heck, that's not even very difficult to draw, I could do one in five minutes." That got me thinking of a younger relative of mine who has artistic gifts. She created the image in PhotoShop (which I've added to the Wikimedia entry), but she didn't think it good enough to put her name on.
I was thinking about asking permission to use this this image, but you'll probably note the problems right away: Smith is on the stairs instead of upstairs, the space is way too large for the framed cabin in Harmony, and nothing that was dictated to Martin Harris is actually in the Book of Mormon anyway. All the best, John Foxe (talk) 13:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Book of Mormon Lead Section[edit]

Hi Twunchy:

I wonder if you will provide some explanations of your recent edits to the Book of Mormon lead section.

Frankly, they seem to me to make it longer but without improving the clarity.

I'm tempted to do some reverts but I think it better to ask.

Thanks, Wanderer57 (talk) 16:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Please see my entry on the talk page...don't be too impatient, I can only type and create so fast. Twunchy (talk) 17:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Feeble attempt at a new Wikipedia Policy[edit]

I'd love your input for a new policy for Wikipedia regarding religious articles. Take a look at what I've started and lend me any input you wish. It's at Wikipedia:Religion. Thanks, Twunchy (talk) 22:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I appreciate what you're trying to do and in principle would like to help, but I think my own strength is getting down in the trenches with nouns, verbs, and participles.--John Foxe (talk) 14:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Invite[edit]

{{WPLDS invite}}Eustress talk 17:49, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Stick with references[edit]

Hello Twunchy, I think your position on Golden Plates is strengthened by stating that Wikipedia is not a source for truth. We quote experts in the field or report on the statements of reliable, reputable references. Attempting to qualify something as a myth, false, truth, etc. is not within Wikipedia's purview. Any attempts to do so are POV by default. I would make the edits, but currently I will not edit any of the articles in my watchlist for a period of time. The position being fostered by some new editosr is quite common on all religion-related articles. It is nothing new and each of them has already argued this postion before elsewhere. This is not a secular, humanist website; Wikipedia is strictly neutral. Cheers. --StormRider 23:53, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Disputed Category[edit]

Regarding: 22:17, 13 January 2010 Twunchy (talk | contribs) (16,822 bytes) (Undid revision 337634595 by ARTEST4ECHO (talk)undo inflammatory POV category). Please see Talk:Latter Day Church of Christ

FLDS See Also section[edit]

I reverted the removal of the link to the Wiki article on Coram Non Judice - the talk page spoke of direct external links to blogs, not about internal links to other articles. Thanks, BlueSooner (talk) 00:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Sealed Portion[edit]

Please look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Sealed Portion of the Book of Mormon. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Sacred Texts[edit]

Hey Twunchy,
I was wondering if you could take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Criticism_of_Mormon_sacred_texts .
Your view on the matter would be appreciated.
Thank you,
--CABEGOD 01:08, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

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