User talk:VwM.Mwv/Edit plan

Nay list

1. No WP:GA (green plus sign) or WP:FA (brown star) articles. These articles are very developed, often have well established consensus, and established editors there might WP:BITE.
2. No The Holocaust.
3. Nothing in the hardcore of American Politics (WP:AP2), Gun Control (WP:ARBGC), Arab-Israeli conflict (WP:ARBPIAINTRO, WP:ARBPIA, WP:ARBPIA2, WP:ARBPIA3). If you edit around the edges (e.g. an obscure mayor in Indiana, or Herzliya (has a section on the airport's use as a military base in 1948) - that's OK. But no high profile politicians (e.g. Rashida Tlaib or Donald Trump), terror attacks, wars (e.g. Six-Day War, or 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict), etc. These are areas with a lot of editorial conflict, and special editing rules (e.g. WP:1RR instead of WP:3RR, special page rules).

Aye list

1. Israeli politics (as long as not extremely conflict related - e.g. please avoid Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People).
2. Libertarian issues (as long as not in AP2).
3. Israeli companies and ventures (e.g. SpaceIL).

Please run anything else by Icewhiz.

Discussion

March 2019

@Icewhiz: I'm still in the process of creating a large edit plan, though I'd like to add a couple of things here now:

1. On Israel - adding to the first sentence and the northern shore of the Red Sea, with a population of just under 9 million. Most country articles mention the population in their first lede section. Also changing the infobox to reflect the population number listed in its own source [1] - 8,985,000 instead of 9,001,990.
2. On Zionism - changing the first sentence's Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת Tsiyyonut [t͡sijo̞ˈnut] after Zion) is the national movement of the Jewish people national link from ethnic nationalism to just nation.

These are rather small edits, but since they're on controversial articles (extended-protected), I just thought I'd run them by you before making them. M . M 09:36, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

1. Israel - Cite a source properly - linking to CBS's homepage is a no go, you need to link to one of their publications (e.g. PDF). I would use of "around 9 million" - to avoid changing it in a month or two when it goes over. If anyone reverts you - stop. No additional edits after your get reverted unless I approve them. Both Israel and infoboxes may lead to trouble.
2. Zionism - try Nationalism. Again - if you get reverted - you stop - no more edits after your initial edit.

Icewhiz (talk) 09:49, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

What about citing the first source [2] used in Demographics of Israel (maybe also link to that article)?

Edit to Zionism done, added nationalism link. M . M 10:01, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Cite a particular publication of the CBS - under "פרסומים ותוצרים". Linking to their homepage is not a proper citation - even if it is done elsewhere. Icewhiz (talk) 10:10, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• @Icewhiz: Add population stats, rankings' new/updates/corrections, cut down summaries: Change the last part of Israel's lede from Israel is a developed country and an Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) member,[57] with the 32nd-largest economy in the world by nominal gross domestic product (GDP) as of 2017. The country benefits from a highly skilled workforce and is among the most educated countries in the world with one of the highest percentages of its citizens holding a tertiary education degree.[58] Israel has the highest standard of living in the Middle East,[19] and has one of the highest life expectancies in the world.[59] Furthermore, Israel ranked 11th in the UN's 2018 World Happiness Report.[60]
  to
  With a population of around 9 million, Israel is a developed country and an Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) member, and has the 31st-largest economy in the world by nominal gross domestic product (GDP) as of 2017. Israel has the highest standard of living in the Middle East, and ranks among the world's top countries by percentage of citizens with military training, women's safety, life expectancy, percentage of citizens holding a tertiary education degree, innovativeness, and happiness. M . M 12:17, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

  Stats OK. As for your lede change it fails Wikipedia:OVERLINK + you do not need to cite what is in the body. I suggest you work on improving the body prior to the lede.Icewhiz (talk) 12:54, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

The article already links and cites in this way, and I plan to improve the body, too. What specifically do you think I should change in the above? M . M 13:05, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Some 75% of your text is wikilinks - which is overlinking. Try putting your updates to the body and infobox first. And the monent anyond else touches the article - no editing for 30 hours. No questions here - even is someone does a totally unrelated change - you do not edit for 30 hours - this article is under strict 1RR.Icewhiz (talk) 14:43, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

@Icewhiz: How about this? With a population of around 9 million, Israel is a developed country and an Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) member, and has the 31st-largest economy in the world by nominal gross domestic product (GDP) as of 2017. Israel has the highest standard of living in the Middle East, and ranks among the world's top countries by percentage of citizens with military training, women's safety, life expectancy, percentage of citizens holding a tertiary education degree, innovativeness, and happiness.
Note: Some of this doesn't fit in the infobox - yet it's relevant to include in the lede's bottom paragraph as per country articles such as the Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland, etc. M . M 13:32, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Make sure you update the body as well. And no editing the article for 30 hours after you make this change - no ifs or buts here - you don't want to run foul of 1RR. The ARBPIA 1RR hawks will pounce on you in an instant. Icewhiz (talk) 13:35, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

In that case, I should probably refrain from correcting the 2017 GDP just yet ("32nd" appears to be a typo; the list article says "31st"; although there are conflicting worse-quality sources in the infobox, some of which give incomplete 2019 info). As for updating the body, should I do that in the same edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by VwM.Mwv (talk • contribs) 13:50, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

I would start with the body, and then move to the lede. Separate edits. But if anyone jumps in between your edits (even unrelated) - stop for 30 hours. You really don't want to come close to messing with 1RR on Israel.Icewhiz (talk) 13:56, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

June 2019

@Icewhiz: I've noticed there's been a lot of discussion on Talk:Israel regarding the infobox map(s), so I created a new one based on things that were brought up there & my own ideas.

   Territories controlled and claimed by Israel
   Territories controlled but not claimed by Israel

Do you think I should add it now per WP:BOLD, or bring it up on talk first? M . M 15:28, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

I'd say float it in talk - it's a rather surefire revert situation, and this has been discussed on talk a few months back (different map).... I'll note that saying Israel does not claim the West Bank is inaccurate - Israel has been generally ambiguous regarding its position on the West Bank (including on the legal side of whether it is occupied or not - applying the international laws of occupation (Geneva) on a voluntary basis). I suspect you'll need to color a few things in that map differently - but..... If you are willing to work with other editors here (and update your map given feedback) - then you might be able strike an improvement here (part of the issue in making such improvements is that few editors are actually willing/able to draw/color the maps). Icewhiz (talk) 15:36, 12 June 2019 (UTC)