User talk:Washburnmav/Archive 2

Camelia Voin

Greetings Thanks for reviewing my additions. I am writing you about Camelia Voin page. I added links to several performances on You Tube of this singer and I noted they have been removed. I was not able to find specific instructions for this type of links. On the other hand I found links to You Tube on pages of other singers. I am new to Wikipedia and I appreciate your advice. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.0.73.221 (talk) 18:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for contributing, and for being so courteous about your edit reversion. It is not often reversions are met with such courteous responses! I reverted your edit for a couple reasons. You formatted the links as internal links instead of external. External links should be within single brackets ([]), internal links are in double brackets ([[]]). Articles should also generally only have one link to youtube, if any. Let me know if you have any more questions. Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Washburnmav (talk) 20:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Edit reversion

Thanks for realising you reverted my edit to Sir Richard King, 2nd Baronet incorrectly, but in future try not erase your comments from talk pages (as you did to mine) - instead strikethrough them using the <s></s> tags. Thanks. 84.69.198.85 (talk) 21:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, sorry for the inconvenience. Washburnmav (talk) 21:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

• For Huggle misfires, I think (most) people would prefer you take the comment right out. For anything else, strikethrough is more appropriate. In the future, perhaps just leave a quick note after deleting your comment. –xeno (talk) 22:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Since we're bored, this one has been bugging me for a while...

...if like dentistry so much, why are you in Chemical engineering? –xeno (talk) 13:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Haha, I don't like dentistry. I understand the confusion. My friend got me a job with his father (dentist). I work for him using a machine that does CAD design of teeth. In order to do so I had to research a lot about dentistry, which led me to edit wikipedia. In short, its just a summer job. Northwestern gets out to summer late so jobs (especially with engineering firms) are hard to come by. Washburnmav (talk) 16:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense =) I sorted that vand-box for you. –xeno (talk) 16:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Much appreciated. I'll have to read up on making tables in wikicode. Seems fairly straightforward though. Washburnmav (talk) 17:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

classroom portion of your adoption now available!

Wow, this would have been a lot of help a month ago. But there is still plenty for me to learn now. Neat idea, I'll be sure to do some of those when time allows. Washburnmav (talk) 17:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

eh, sometimes learning by trial and error is better. nevertheless. have at it! =) –xeno (talk) 17:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

AJ Schable

hi. the aj schable page wasn't vandalism. the other two messages were from another computer on my wifi. i was at the game and that's what happened.

casey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.39.88.144 (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I see what you mean now. Feel free to re-add your comment, preferably with an appropriate reference. Your warning regarding this edit has been nullified. Sorry for the inconvenience. Washburnmav (talk) 20:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

RESPONSE

THAT IS NOT VANDALISM IT DISSIPATED ON THE 6TH AT 11PM!!! YOU DONT HAVE OFFICIAL INFO. THE NHC HPC ENDED IT ON THE 6TH. NO ARGUMENT-OTHERWISE THIS WILL CONTINUE IF NO RESOLUTION.Compu34 (talk) 23:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I followed up on your allegations and found multiple sources 1, 2 saying that it dissipated on the 7th. If you could give me a link to your source confirming that it dissipated on the 6th, this issue could be resolved via discussion.

Please refrain from using all caps, as it comes across as yelling and is unsightly. Thanks. Washburnmav (talk) 23:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

quick question

Thanks for the heads up!

I have a quick question - how do I add one of those boxes that companies have that cointain a brief description of basic info about the company, normally found on the upper right hand side of the article?

Thanks in advance, Athlon2009 (talk) 15:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

You want this temp:

 
{{Infobox Company
| name             = 
| logo             = 
| type             = 
| genre            = 
| foundation       = 
| founder          = 
| location_city    = 
| location_country = 
| location         = 
| locations        = 
| area_served      = 
| key_people       = 
| industry         = 
| products         = 
| services         = 
| market cap       = 
| revenue          = 
| operating_income = 
| net_income       = 
| assets           = 
| equity           = 
| owner            = 
| num_employees    = 
| parent           = 
| divisions        = 
| subsid           = 
| homepage         = 
| footnotes        = 
| intl             = 
}}

Just copy that into the top there, fill in the cats you know, and delete the ones you don't. There is an example here Be sure to find references! Good luck. Washburnmav (talk) 15:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I think I got it. Can you suggest any other aesthetic changes I can make to make the article look more to Wiki's standards?

Thank you again, Athlon2009 (talk) 19:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't mention it. Other than the {{cite web}} templates for your sources, it looks pretty good. Washburnmav (talk) 21:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Spotnews

Thanks for catching that Courier-Post mascot spammer. I can't believe that paper would try something like that. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 15:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem, just a few clicks in Huggle :P. I think it would deter them more if they truly knew how it easy it is to undo all of their vandalism/spam. Washburnmav (talk) 15:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

They will when they see our supreme use of rollback! FYE: mascot description link - Spot's a 6 foot tall dog. AAK! - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 15:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thats absurd. Even dogs are vandalizing wikipedia now... *Sigh* Washburnmav (talk) 15:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Try rubbing his 18" diameter nose in it. Go ahead, I dare ya! - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 15:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note

Good work. Off the top I can't think of any specific pages. On the WikiGuitar Project page you can link the the Guitar page assessment page which shows all of our Project article classes as well as the pages that have been marked as "needing attetion". Some of those are dated as many have been fixed up but the template tag wasn't removed. I am partial to the project's "list of" articles. We have the List of Telecaster players at Featured list status. The List of Stratocaster players and List of Gibson players are both close, at least to me they are. All I have time for with those pages is to police that no new uncited/non-notable additions wind up in them. Other editors help with that end of it. But no one actually edits them for wording/puncuation/grammar. Maybe you could help get those ones over the top and into Featured status. I've took them as far as I could before I took a year off from Wikipedia. Other editors worked hard at them during my absense. And since my return not much more has been done to them. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 23:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Here are the attention needed pages. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 23:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I just found a good one. The Lonnie Mack article has had extensive work done over the last few months by a single editor (sometimes as an IP). The user has added many links to websites as references that are actually not very good sites as they would not pass WP:RS. Mainly though, the writing/prose style on this article is not very good. Based on some of the talk page posts the user may not use English as their first language. Which would certainly explain the writing style. One post causes me some concern as it implies a WP:COI issue which means that that WP:NPOV may be taking a beating throughout the article. What are your thoughts? With a proper re-write and copy edit and if all the citations were checked as valid, this article might actually be GA material, or even FA. But it will take an effort. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 23:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll get to work on that when time permits. Washburnmav (talk) 00:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Kerafym <> EverQuest

Oddly, you moved the Feb 2008 flag from the long-ago-removed Kerafym article to the top of the EQ article. Since, clearly, Kerafym is not EQ, and the deletion consideration was long ago completed, (following the link might help illuminate the situation), I have removed its flag. sinneed (talk) 23:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. I was in the process of getting rid of cleanup tags on talk pages of articles, as they create unnecessary cleanup backlog. I think the Kerafym 'article' tab linked straight to Everquest and I didn't notice. Washburnmav (talk) 23:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Dentistry

Hey there! I noticed you signed up as a participant for WikiProject Dentistry, and you are more than welcome to help out. If you have any questions or suggestions, you can leave a message on my talk page or on the project talk page. For the past several months, I have been really busy, but now have more time and should be able to respond sooner. Again, welcome to our little group. - Dozenist talk 17:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! As you may have noticed I'm mainly a copyeditor. I'll be looking into those articles listed as needing copyediting in due time, but if anything comes up that needs cleanup don't hesitate to send it my way! I'm always happen to dive in and start hacking away, especially if a request comes down. I'm a fairly active user too. Thanks again for the invite! Washburnmav (talk) 18:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Pirate Cat Radio

Sorry to be blunt, but what the hell was this edit for? I can see no possible valid excuse for that reversion. Needless to say, I've reverted you. If there was a valid reason for it which I've somehow missed, I wholeheartedly apologize, but I certainly can't see it. – iridescent 18:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

That, my friend, was a simple misclick. Was on my way to fix it. Thanks for getting there first. Washburnmav (talk) 18:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Talkback section

• Replied at your adoption subpage. –xeno (talk) 21:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

For the work you've put into guitar related articles

		The Guitarist Barnstar
		A small token for the extra work you've put into some overdue copy-edit and clean-up of guitar related articles. Your efforts are appreciated. Keep up the good work. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 21:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! It's nice to be recognized =) Washburnmav (talk) 21:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Well deserved. Want more guitarist challenges? I know I've already made suggestions, but the poor writing style of the Eric Clapton page sticks out like an open sore. An article that should be one of the guitarist projects centrepiece articles really needs a make-over. If you have some spare time, that is. I am going to put aside some time and go through all the project's "unassessed" articles (numbers in the hundreds) A long time ago Project founder Spike Wilbury and myself went through the long process of adding assessment classes to each and every page tagged by the project. But then both he and I have took extremely long breaks from Wikipedia. So the numbers are back up again. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 21:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Most definitely, I am quite a huge fan of him anyway. I'll get on Eric Clapton when I get the chance. If you need any help with the assessments I might be able to knock out a few every now and then. Editing/Tagging/Assessing is kind of my calling here, or so it would seem. Washburnmav (talk) 22:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Lonnie Mack

Thanks for your cleanup and copyediting. BTW I saw your comment about COI concerning promoting the article to higher status. Why would that be? I can't perceive of any reason for COI on your part. Take care. Dr.K. (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I think what he meant is he would find it hard to be objective about his own work. –xeno (talk) 22:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't mention it DrK. Hopefully the article will make it to A or even FA status someday.

Xeno is right, and I figured as being a main editor of the article, COI could come in to play as it could be a self-promotion ploy. Also I know that promotion to 'A' Rank has to be done by "uninvolved editors". Washburnmav (talk) 22:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

My take on it would've been that Dr K and Slp512 had the article inches away from GA. And you came along - critiqued what it needed - and copy-edited it over the GA hump. So actually graduating the article to that status would not have been not pushing COI on your part. That's just my thoughts. I have almost 30000 edits on Wikipedia and I still learn something new everyday here. I think I need to be adopted. :) Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 22:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you guys for the clarifications. Like Anger22 says you learn something everyday. Slp 512 did a huge amount of work, I did some cleanup helping him, Washburnmav did an excellent and thorough job tightening up the article and Anger22 provided expert feedback, which I really appreciate. Xeno also clarified the nuances of COI as well. Nominating the article can be done by any of us as long as we don't also promote it ourselves. But this is no problem because as I knew all along and Washburnmav stated as well it is not up to us to make this decision because the article has to be vetted by external editors. I don't care if I am not allowed to vote. I only care that we start the process. I can be on the sidelines for the nomination helping here and there and cleaning up the citations in an ongoing fashion. I thing Anger22 can be the driving force in starting this nomination process if he so wishes. It was after all his idea a few weeks back. I'll be in touch. Let me know how else I can help. Take care. Dr.K. (talk) 23:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm a little confused are you talking about nomming Lonnie Mack to A status? Washburnmav (talk) 00:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

• Well each individual Wikiproject can assess articles any way they wish however there is also a Wikipedia good and featured article class that you can nominate articles for. The Wikiproject assessment and the Wikipedia assessment don't necessarily have to match. –xeno (talk) 00:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha, so we're putting this up for GA on Wikipedia? Washburnmav (talk) 00:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

(ec) To Washburn: I thought the article was already GA so I thought it was going for FA. But on second thought I see now it didn't go through the Wikipedia GA process like Xeno suggests, so we may have to go for the Wikipedia GA status first. I have to do a bit of reading on this. Dr.K. (talk) 00:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I already nom'd it for a GA. That's why I had the edit summary earlier where I corrected the syntax from "good" to "GA" and added the "pending review" note at the end. A GA isn't like an FA. It's not so much a nomination as it is a request. Any registered user can review a GA requested article and see if it meets "GA" criteria. It doesn't take a committee to dub it a GA. Just a strict review. An A is almost the same but it requires more of a community effort from a few editors who are 'independent' (basically a few editors who understand the strict criteria of an A and have never edited the article before). Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 01:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I see. Thanks. Dr.K. (talk) 01:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, still a bit confused. Is this opened for discussion somewhere? Do we have to request an involved editor to jump in? How does one go about nomming it, like Anger did? Washburnmav (talk) 16:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Washburn, I've been busy these few days and I thought this thread was over. You can check here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. But I think Anger did not put the FA peer review notice on Mack's talk page like he was supposed to. Dr.K. (talk) 22:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, I see what you mean, he didn't post it on the talk. But I don't see Lonnie Mack on WP:FAC. Washburnmav (talk) 23:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it's not on FAC yet. Therefore Anger's action must have been on the GA category. Dr.K. (talk) 23:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks it's nice you like it! There's only 7,695,158 pages that might be better than mine. -- [[ axg ⁞⁞ talk ]] 20:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Eric Clapton GA

There's one section that has an {{unreferenced-section}} template, and the "label" field is missing from the infobox. Just thought I'd let you know; these might impede it passing as a GA. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 21:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

 Fixed Washburnmav (talk) 17:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandalising legit contribs.

Keep it up man, just keep it up. If you do, I will do the same to EVERY single edit you have ever and will ever make. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.179.104 (talk) 01:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I urge you not to do so, I assure you that you will not last long. Your edits had merit, although they were in the wrong place and unsourced. If you choose to edit after your block expires I would be happy to help you make better edits to Wikipedia. Washburnmav (talk) 02:39, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

TCE

I am citing NIH, NIDA, EPA, and PubMed. Where do you get off saying this is "personal"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Honor Martin Luther King (talk • contribs) 16:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I never said it was personal. I sent you that message because external links are discouraged in the main body of wikipedia articles. If you wished to add those pages as references, put them inside <ref></ref> tags and put the link itself inside brackets ([]). See WP:EDIT for further information on editing wikipedia. Please remember to sign all your posts with four tildes! (~~~~). Thanks. Washburnmav (talk) 16:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I think I see how it works now and will try to fix this. Someone wrote that I was using this information for self promotion, which is simply not true. I thank you kindly for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Honor Martin Luther King (talk • contribs) 16:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't mention it. Happy Editing =) Washburnmav (talk) 16:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion policy

I noticed you nominated the article The Best Of Melanie C for deletion here. I absolutely agree it ought to die. However, your nomination drew ire (as you may have noticed) because you nominated it for what are essentially cleanup issues: a lack of citations and a long period of dormancy. Something like that is probably better nominated under WP:MUSIC#Albums for a notability concern, which is definitely a deletion issue (though it can be a cleanup issue if the subject is notable but no assertion is being properly made). A list of deletion criteria can be found at WP:DELETE and is recommended reading for everyone. Thank you for your nomination! --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 04:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I am new to the AFD part of Wikipedia, and am still in the learning process. I will be sure to read up on WP:DELETE before noming in the future. Thanks again. =) Washburnmav (talk) 05:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I'm glad you're willing to put in the effort. --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 05:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Cloud computing

Thanks for your revert - I've reverted the whole lot and warned the user (this is the third time now). samj (talk) 20:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't mention it. Just doin my part to rv vandalism =). Washburnmav (talk) 20:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Buddhism in South Korea

Why are you censoring genuine criticisms involving current events in Korea??? -76.118.140.125

Stop vandalizing the site, make corrections to the passage if you disagree with this interpretation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manjushri222 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Youtube videos are not reliable sources. Also wikipedia cannot be a source for itself. Please read more on WP:RS and WP:CITE for more info. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Thanks. Washburnmav (talk) 20:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

list of natural disasters

i'll admit that the edit I made was big but I don't see how it constitutes vandalism at all. The page as it stands is ridiculously long. The death tolls of all natural disasters in recorded history should not be listed all on one page. The edit (along with a post I was about to make on the discussion page) was intended to start a useful discussion about the quality (which is immediately recognizable as poor) of the current format and give a starting point for those who believe (like me) that the current format is incredibly unwieldy. Please inform me why you think this constitutes vandalism. If I don't hear from you I'm going to reassert my edit (although in piecemeal form) tomorrow. Thank you.

Truthven (talk) 04:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

From the WP vandalism page "Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Even harmful edits that are not explicitly made in bad faith are not considered vandalism." Surely what I did does not an any way constitute vandalism as it was a clear good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia. Truthven (talk) 04:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Hm, here's what happened: I was reverting this edit as vandalism as you removed a legitimate tag without explaining why with an edit summary. In the process of rollbacking this alleged vandalism, your first edit was rv as well. Your other edit seems legitimate and I reinstated it. Please use edit summaries in the future and situations like this can be avoided. Thanks. Washburnmav (talk) 04:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply. The other edit also does not in any way constitute vandalism as I am trying to make the point that the article explicitly does not need to be expanded (top ten lists don't expand, only change). I'm going to make the edit again, but i'll be sure to include a summary of the edit. Thanks.

Truthven (talk) 05:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Sweet Home Alabama

Hi, It looks like the message you just left me on my talk page about vandalism on the article about Sweet Home Alabama resulted from an honest mistake on both our parts. We both noticed the vandalism made by a third user, and both simultaneously reverted it, causing it to look as if I had reverted your edit back to the original vandalism. I apologize for this mistake, and look forward to RCP'ing with you in the future! Jagun^Talk_Contribs 05:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Yup thats exactly what happened. Obviously, feel free to remove the warning temp. Same to you! Washburnmav (talk) 05:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Please delete article about Vijendra kumar

As a mistake I created this page with wrong spelling. Actual page Vijender Kumar related to this person already exists. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatanidea (talk • contribs) 19:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not an admin, therefore cannot delete pages. However, I have forwarded your request to an admin. You can see the forward here. Washburnmav (talk) 19:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Guardian Industries Corp. Flag

Hi Washburnmav, I would like some insight as to why you flagged the Guardian Industries Corp. posting as blatant advertising. I provided notability and was neutral in the sense that I provided a competitor list. In addition, the majority of the post is background information to present day all referenced with reputable sources such as Forbes, Yahoo! Finance, and the Daily Oakland Press. I appreciate your assistance and look forward to making the appropriate changes to the post. Thanks! Red5050 (talk) 20:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Red, there seems to be some confusion here. I was not the original user that tagged that page, that was Editor437 with this edit. I was patrolling recent changes and saw that an IP had removed the temp without an explanation of why, so I reverted it. I don't have time to review the article and tell you if it still needs the temp currently. If you believe it is no longer necessary, be bold and remove it, but use an edit summary please. If you would still like me to look over the article for you at some point, I would be happy to. Thanks for being courteous. Washburnmav (talk) 21:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Frederick Courteney Selous

Hello Washburnmav,

I am the editor of Frederick Courteney Selous article you undid. I take it by now you realised I was in the process of editing at the time but Im open to discussions if you question that. By looking at the history of that page you can tell how much time and effort I spent on the matter (minus countless books and biographies , hehe...). You can also probably tell Im fairly new (the ammount of posts instead of saved edits) and subject to mistakes, but arent we all?!... Just a big fan of that man, and I can get sensitive about it I guess, to my defense. Cheers!

LeonisRugitur (talk) 07:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)LeonisRugiturLeonisRugitur (talk) 07:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Leonis, you're right, I did realize this. I was a little hasty at rv your edit, but it seemed somewhat suspicious as you had removed a lot of content. Obviously it was not vandalism, and I commend you for your hard work on this article. However, to avoid such situations in the future, it is best to use edit summaries every time you edit Wikipedia. Even a very simple one would do (i.e.'editing' or 'moving'), although more specific ones are preferred. Sorry about the inconvenience, keep up the good work! Washburnmav (talk) 14:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

WPRock

I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Rock music WikiProject. There's alot of Rock-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few Rock music pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. And by the way great job on the Eric Clapton page, hope it gets to GA status. Thanks! --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 12:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm in! Just added myself to the member list. As I tell most people here, I am a copyeditor at heart, and am always glad to add another article to my "to be edited" list. I'll look through the Rock music Wikiproject more later, but don't hesitate to throw some articles my way now and then. Thanks for the invite! Washburnmav (talk) 14:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Great that you joined, really great. Can you take a look at the grammar at the List of Bryan Adams awards, most of the list is ready to become a FL but the grammar is to weak. Thanks for joining, we always need a new editor. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 16:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Added to my to do =). Washburnmav (talk) 17:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

eh the rambling man you don't need to copyedit, don't really get why i added it so no not the rambling man, but thanks . --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 17:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)