Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/West Bengal/archive1

West Bengal

Nominated by me. I believe this article really meets the criteria for a featured article. It is very organized and is sourced in many areas. The pictures are great. However, it may be overwikified, or maybe the opposite depending on where you stand. The maps are also very neatly organized and full of information. Thanks. W123 18:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

• Incomplete nomination, listing now. RN 11:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support, seems to meet the criteria unless I missed something. — Wackymacs 12:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Object.

Not "Factually accurate", for example, the state has 19 districts, but the map is an old one showing 18 districts.

Style — Citation style is not consistent.

"verifiability" —Sentences like "West Bengal has the third largest economy (2003-2004) in India. In terms of per capita income it ranks twelfth (2003-2004).NASSCOM-Gartner ranks West Bengal Power Infrastructure the best in the country" needs citation.

Needs copyedit — example - "...total valie of industrial output in India...";

See also - a template will be better.

Am working on all these points at present. Probably a peer review is better at present, followed by an FAC. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment the image in the info box is a red link too.Rlevse 14:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't seem to be anymore... — Wackymacs 09:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Object there are too many instances of poor grammar, redundant word usage. Needs a thorough, cleansing copyedit. Rama's arrow 15:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

• Conditional support pending the addressing of Dwaipayanc's concerns. Rama's arrow 03:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

• Object: Changed to Conditional support pending more copyedit, fixing of remaining issues. --`Ragib
  • Incomplete: The history section doesn't include a single line about Siraj Ud Dowla or the local nawabs, who were virtually indpendent of the Mughals.

Done, Siraj, Independent nawabs mentioned.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• • Huge gap in history section for years 1971-2006.

Tried to expand. Please see.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• • Govt and politics - the subdivision subsection should have its own section.

New section of "Subdivisions" created.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• • Economy: Table overlaps into text.

Table fixed.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:23, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• • "The vast majority of the population of 80,221,171 in West Bengal[32] are the Bengalis. " Reference 32 gives total population, but doesn't support the ethnic breakdown.
  • Factual errors: West Bengal has a long tradition in folk literature, evidenced by Maimansingha Gitika,. Maimansingha Gitika is from Mymensingh District in Bangladesh and has little to do with West Bengal.
  • Gombhira (Rangpur District) , Bhatiali (from the Bhati or nether regions of East Bengal), Bhawaiya etc are not really of West Bengali heritage.
    • I take back the comment on Gombhira and Bhawaiya, but keep the comment on Bhatiyali. The first two is from northern Bengal, and can be considered part of nearby districts in both WB and BD. However, Bhatiyali is a central- East Bengali folk song tradition. --Ragib 18:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
      • reply Yes, Bhatiyali has been removed, so is Mymansingh gitika. Instead Charyapada, Chau nach etc have been added. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment I have a comment on the inclusion/exclusion of Bhatiyali. How does one accurately divide the cultural heritage of pre-Partition Bengal fairly between West Bengal and Bangladesh? Do we do it on the geographical basis of what is located in which region in modern times? I have no issues with Bhatiyali either ways but I think this is a curious question. Abbas Uddin Ahmed was born in Cooch Behar in undivided Bengal in what is now West Bengal but emigrated to East Pakistan until his death (which was before the formation of Bangladeshi) Yet, he is considered a Bangladeshi musician (at least according to the wikipedia article) and an expert in bhatiyali. Geographically, he is from what is now West Bengal. Likewise many bhatiyali exponents like Amar Pal and Sachin Dev Burman composed and compiled songs in this category in West Bengal, India though they are from the East in pre-Partition times. There are many Bhatiyali musicians in West Bengal with traditional roots to East Bengal. Similarly Nazrul was born in West Bengal India but became the National Poet of Bangladesh and lived in the country the last 5-6 years of his life. Do we exclude contributions of refugees and the diaspora? Just food for thought guys. :) --Antorjal 21:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• • • • • • I may be wrong about my comment on Bhatiyali, I have to admit. I don't know that much about WB folk traditions ... I assumed that Bhatiyali was strictly limited to the Bhati region (Kishoreganj/Netrokona/Sylhet districts of Bangladesh). Banglapedia mentions this to be traditional boat song of eastern Bengal, sung in a specific mode, noted for its long-drawn notes. My comment was not based on singers, rather on whether these folk songs were traditions in West Bengal as well. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me on WB culture can throw some light on that. If, as you said above, There are many Bhatiyali musicians in West Bengal with traditional roots to East Bengal, and Bhatiyali has become part of the folk music scene in WB, we should definitely include it. Thanks for the update on this. --Ragib 00:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• • • • • • • • Actually I agree with the omission based on the wording and use of the word "traditional". Traditionally, it IS from erstwhile East Bengal, now Bangladesh and not West Bengal and whether in the last 60 years it has been part of West Bengal tradition is beyond me. In a brief article for the sake of accuracy, it is wiser IMO not to have "bhatiyali". I was just thinking out loud about categories and classifications and how they become difficult. Anyways, it it only an aside because the article needs working on, especially in the sections you mentioned such as Flora and Fauna. Take care. --Antorjal 00:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• • Media section can be merged with culture.

Media can be retained as a seperate section, per WikiProject Indian states.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• • What's the significance of Baul singers in the Demographics section?
  • Flora and Fauna section is incomplete.
  • 19th century Bengal Renaissance need to be included ... it was a big proponent of cultural revival. So was Brahmo Samaj.

Included.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• • Article length is 48KB. It should be cut down to 42-46 KB or so.

Length is now 44 kb.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• These are my objections for the time being. Will add more once I read it carefully. --Ragib 18:13, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support -- Within the limitations of space, this is a well edited article.

-- P.K.Niyogi 02:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support -- Good article. but I'd also like to have the above objections taken care of first. Some further points that need to be addressed: 1) Durgapur Asansol needs to be hyphenated. 2) All proper nouns should be wikified and stubbed. 3) Red links should be stubbed. 4) Reduce overlinking. 5) List of Districts (Zilas) in West Bengal is the wrong format and article: It should be Main article: Districts of West Bengal 6) The districts image should be placed in the subdivisions section, not the politics. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Points (1)-hyphen, (5)-main article, and (6)-map placement — have been taken care of. Regrads.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support my only qualms were article length and redlinks, and both seem to have been or are being addressed -- Samir धर्म 01:53, 15 September 2006 (UTC)