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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted by Ian Rose 04:52, 27 August 2012 [1].
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- Nominator(s): TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs), Nikkimaria (talk) 16:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
An episode of the hit primetime medical drama Grey's Anatomy, known for deviating from its usual themes. I am nominating it for featured article status because I created it, had it featured at DYK, listed as a GA, and approved for A-class. A lot of work has been put into this article to ensure it meets the criteria, including a peer review from TBrandley and a recent copyedit from Nikkimaria. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 16:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Source review - spotchecks not done
TBrandley 01:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Both done. Thanks for the source review; I was concerned about who would have done it since Nikkimaria is a nominator :-) TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I think she most likely would of questioned Wetpaint, Zap2it, and TV Fanatic as sources. But, those have been explained before. TBrandley 02:00, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Those have been determined reliable. By the way; Nikkimaria is a girl :-) TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, yeah. Used to writing "he". :0 TBrandley 02:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Those have been determined reliable. By the way; Nikkimaria is a girl :-) TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I think she most likely would of questioned Wetpaint, Zap2it, and TV Fanatic as sources. But, those have been explained before. TBrandley 02:00, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Image review
- Can't see anything to be fixed. Great work.
- Thanks. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
TBrandley 01:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Other comments
- Where is the episode's running time referenced?
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Any production codes; some are located at epguides, which was good for the FA, "Say Hello to My Little Friend"
- The show stopped using production codes after the fifth season. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- "The episode was designed to revolve around Dempsey's character.". How is that?
- It's explained in 'Production'; it was written with him as the main focus. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- ""Give Peace a Chance" opens with". Very repetitive. Please remove.
- What is very repetitive? TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- "as production designer". missing a "the" before "production"
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- According to Nowalk, → Nowalk opined
- Not done; that is awkward because "opined" is synonymous with giving their opinion. It wasn't his opinion, it is fact; he wrote the episode. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Per MOS:PUNCT, "Consistent use of the straight (or typewriter) apostrophe ( ' ) is recommended, as opposed to the curly (or typographic) apostrophe ( ’ )." That said, I see several instances of the curly being used in the quote feautead at the end of production. Examples are It’s, That’s, etc. Please change.
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You mention reviews from critics, but, then, to find more, you have to look at the second paragraph. Merge "The episode received positive reviews among critics" to the second paragraph
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I see looks of "X of X". Perhaps change it up. Example: Writing for X, X, X editor X, etc.
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- gave a positive review of the entry → gave the entry a positive review
- The latter is not as concise as the former, so not done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
TBrandley 01:58, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Looks good now. TBrandley 02:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for supporting, but just to clarify, what were you saying was very repetitive? TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:31, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- ""Give Peace a Chance" opens with". We do know that it opens to them. Its the first sentence, just WP:COMMONSENSE. TBrandley 02:32, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It was chosen as a lead-in word, instead of just saying "Webber is implementing...". TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Fair enough. TBrandley 02:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It was chosen as a lead-in word, instead of just saying "Webber is implementing...". TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- ""Give Peace a Chance" opens with". We do know that it opens to them. Its the first sentence, just WP:COMMONSENSE. TBrandley 02:32, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments fro Crisco 1492 moved to talk
- Support - Fairly short, but solid. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- 'Support. With the issues being resolved, GPAC is now ready to be an FA. --Sofffie7 (talk) 08:02, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "The initial airing was viewed by 13.74 million Americans" not definite. Hypothetically, an Australian, on holiday in Atlanta might have viewed the episode – does that make them American, or native to the country? Going by Triangle (The X-Files), best to use 'viewers'.
- I changed it to 'people' because it sounded redundant to say "viewed by XX million viewers". TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Is multihour hyphenated or not? I'm certain I've seen it presented singular (as a Countdown conundrum) and prefixes like mega, mini and multi very rarely need hyphens. Might just be hyphenated in American English so be sure to double check. Lemonade51 (talk) 18:46, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The spellcheck on my computer says it's hyphenated. In addition, a quick google search without hyphenation makes the word hyphenated. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Cassianto
- I would like to see a lead image. Is that possible?
- That makes two of us. Look at all the episode screenshots here. Do you think any of them meet NFCC? TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Out of all of them, I think this would be the best as it shows a lot of the cast which the article talks about. It also shows them in hospital clothing and would be necersary to illustrate exactly what they look like. The article, I feel, could do with some illustration. I have never seen the series and whilst reading it, I was trying to visualise what the characters might have looked like; this image (or one similar) would certainly of helped. I am no image guru so it will have to properly assessed as to the meeting of NFCC criteria, but I think you might have a strong enough case to include it or one like it. -- CassiantoTalk 04:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think that meets NFCC. Usually, the only time it seems episodic images are allowed, is when they are critically commented on. I feel like this would be deleted. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Out of all of them, I think this would be the best as it shows a lot of the cast which the article talks about. It also shows them in hospital clothing and would be necersary to illustrate exactly what they look like. The article, I feel, could do with some illustration. I have never seen the series and whilst reading it, I was trying to visualise what the characters might have looked like; this image (or one similar) would certainly of helped. I am no image guru so it will have to properly assessed as to the meeting of NFCC criteria, but I think you might have a strong enough case to include it or one like it. -- CassiantoTalk 04:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- That makes two of us. Look at all the episode screenshots here. Do you think any of them meet NFCC? TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- "Knowing that she will not be able to use the bathroom for the entire procedure, Lexie decides to wear a diaper into the operating room, which impresses Yang." Why would this impress her?
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- "Isaac asks Shepherd to attempt removing it." --- "Isaac asks Shepherd to operate on him"
- I think that's a bit ambiguous, because he could be asking him to do any random surgery; he asks him to remove the tumor. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Its not that ambiguous when you consider we have mentioned he is suffering from a tumour. Also, "attempt removing" sounds wrong. "attempt to remove it" sounds better IMO -- CassiantoTalk 01:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I've changed it to simply "Isaac asks Shepherd to remove it." TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Its not that ambiguous when you consider we have mentioned he is suffering from a tumour. Also, "attempt removing" sounds wrong. "attempt to remove it" sounds better IMO -- CassiantoTalk 01:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that's a bit ambiguous, because he could be asking him to do any random surgery; he asks him to remove the tumor. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- "...the episode was written by Peter Nowalk and directed by Wilson" -- I would use Wilson's full name here as its the first time she is mentioned.
- Her name is linked and given in full in 'Plot'. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah OK, sorry I missed that. I think there needs to be some explaination that she was the director and the actress in the episode. As far as I can see there is no mention of this within the same sentence. Wilson is a very common surname and without the explanation early on that she did both, one would have to stop reading to go back to check it was the same person. I think with this explained, surname usage would be OK. -- CassiantoTalk 01:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah OK, sorry I missed that. I think there needs to be some explaination that she was the director and the actress in the episode. As far as I can see there is no mention of this within the same sentence. Wilson is a very common surname and without the explanation early on that she did both, one would have to stop reading to go back to check it was the same person. I think with this explained, surname usage would be OK. -- CassiantoTalk 01:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Her name is linked and given in full in 'Plot'. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- "Jenny Barak edited the music..." Edited or composed? Or did she edit the already composed music. If so "edit" sounds strange.
- She was credited as 'music editor'. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thats fine then. -- CassiantoTalk 01:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- She was credited as 'music editor'. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- "Nowalk said the scenes were difficult to shoot, due to the technicality involved".
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- ""Give Peace a Chance" was originally broadcast on October 29, 2009 in the United States on the American Broadcasting Company (ABC) channel"
- I've never seen it written like that. For example, see "Say Hello to My Little Friend", a recently promoted FA. (I know it's NBC, but it's the same concept except for the first word.)
- Also fine. -- CassiantoTalk 01:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I've never seen it written like that. For example, see "Say Hello to My Little Friend", a recently promoted FA. (I know it's NBC, but it's the same concept except for the first word.)
- We mention "I Saw What I Saw" by name the second time around when I think it should be the first. For example "The episode underperformed the previous installment in terms of viewership. It was viewed by a total of 13.74 million people, down 1.66 percent from the previous episode "I Saw What I Saw", which garnered 15.04 million viewers."
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's it for now. I'll give it another read through once these have been addressed. Looking good though! -- CassiantoTalk
- Everything's done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support per the resolved comments above. A nice little article :-) -- CassiantoTalk 03:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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