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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Rambo's Revenge 15:12, 26 June 2009 [1].

List of Presidents of the United States

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Nominator(s): Kumioko (talk) 20:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because it appears to meet the qualifications of a featured list. Additionally, it was previously a featured list that was demoted in October of 2008. Since then it appears that users have dealt with all of the issues that where brought up. Although I am not currently a major contributor to this article but I have or have access too all of the references mentioned in it and will address any changes needed to get this list back up to FL status. --Kumioko (talk) 20:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • A couple of comments related to this FLC and I apologize I know this isn't a peer review site but this will also help me in future submissions.
    • I personally do not like all the colors and would like to change it so the color is in the name column only. Is that acceptable?
    • I understand that this article can be contentious at times and is prone to vandalism however I think it is a very important list that should be allowed to achieve featured status. Even if we have to protect the page to experiences users once we get it there.
    • I have already checked the DAB pages and the only one is a disambiguous redirect for other things for the President of the Unites States (such as the musical group).
    • I think that 4 references for each president is too many and I would like to shorten them a bit. All of the presidents have a link to the White house and CSPAN and then to a specific page for their names for each. Is there a way I can simply use a general reference rather than each and every one? --Kumioko (talk) 20:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

    • I agree that the color should be in the names columns only
    • The election result link should go to the external links section
    • In the note section, incomplete sentences shouldn't have period
    • The top says "Presidents of the United States" redirect here, but it is a separate article

—Chris! ct 22:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

These also apply to the VP list.

  • Yes, don't use color for the entire row. I'd say to make a narrow colummn for that next to the name, like in all the Governor FLs.
  • Yes, using general references is fine. I'd keep just the WH refs next to the name as footnotes, but have the rest as general refs only.
  • To this and the VP list: be consistent! These two are very close positions and should have similar lists. I don't care which way it's done as long as it's the same.
    • For the Images column, should there be a header or is it self-descriptive?
    • "Name" or "President"/"Vice President"?
    • Link "Vice President" and "President"?
    • Have the reference next to the name or in a separate column?
    • Include a Home State column? There is List of United States Presidents by place of primary affiliation and Lists of United States Presidents by place of birth already, so I'd leave it off the presidents list. Therefore, I'd remove it from the VP list and create a separate page. Eventually I'd like to merge these two (and a VP list) and bring it to FLC.
    • Also look at the lead, specifically the first sentence. Both are short, but there are main articles for each anyway.

Otherwise, these are very good lists. Reywas92Talk 23:41, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I determined I am going to have to rebuild the table in order to fix some of the problems and clean things up. It should only take me a day or 2. Here is a link to the sandbox where I am working on it.--Kumioko (talk) 02:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if we need to use {nowrap}. Most wouldn't wrap anyway and we can set column widths. I would just suggest against the place of birth column. As I said, there's already separate articles for that. Place of birth also isn't as accurate as state of association; George W. Bush is better associated with Texas than Connecticut and Obama with Illinois than Hawaii. Reywas92Talk 03:07, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. As someone who for a while now has watchlisted and edited and reverted quite a bit of vandalism on this list I have concerns. Completely overhauling the table is a major change and not something that should be done during an FLC. It should be ready and in place before the FLC, only then can criteria like stability be assessed. I appreciate this is an important list and you want it to be recognised but FLC is not the place to make the list, it's a place for lists that are ready and just being tweaked. I suggest opening a peer review and getting input there, because if you are changing the list to a sortable one there my be other information that can be incorporated instead of having lots of different lists because there is a lot of repetition across them and I'm pretty sure much of this could be merged/condensed with sortable tables. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 11:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was actually going to suggest that it be withdrawn today because its taking me longer to reconstruct the table than I previously thought it would. You beat me too it. --Kumioko (talk) 13:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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