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The list was promoted by Giants2008 10:01, 11 March 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of women's Test cricketers who have taken five wickets on debut[edit]

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Nominator(s): Harrias talk 17:33, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting list of those players to have taken five-wickets in an innings on their debut in women's Test cricket. Test cricket is almost dead within women's cricket, having being replaced by the more marketable one-day formats of the game, so this list is unlikely to grow much over the next few years. In just over 130 Test matches, 13 players have achieved the feat. There could be an argument made that this list would be a 3b violation in favour of List of five-wicket hauls in women's Test cricket, but I'm not sure how practical such a list would be. It would have 94 entries, which is retained in this format would be somewhat unwieldy in my opinion. If it were condensed, then this list would still have value as a stand-alone list. There are a number of red links in the list at the moment, but I am working through them over the next few weeks, so I am confident that by the time this nomination closes the remaining red links should be in the minority. As always, all comments and insights would be appreciated. Harrias talk 17:33, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • To quote the above blurb: "There are a number of red links in the list at the moment, but I am working through them over the next few weeks, so I am confident that by the time this nomination closes the remaining red links should be in the minority." I am prioritising the players who took the five-wicket hauls. So, succinctly, yes. Harrias talk 18:56, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, sounds great, thank you for the satisfactory response, and keep us posted, — Cirt (talk) 21:55, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Looks like Joyce was player of the match, so indicate that in the table. However, it looks like the award wasn't given at any of the other matches. Not even the more recent ones, strangely enough. Chamal T•C 16:48, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I opted not to include it for that very reason: it is an award that has been infrequently presented in women's Test matches, and when it has been presented, it hasn't always been published. So it might be that others have won the award, but we don't know about it, or certainly that others would have won the award had it been presented. It seems to be unfair, in my opinion, to give undue precedence to Joyce for this reason. Harrias talk 16:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alright, fair enough. Don't see any other problems, so I'll support. Chamal T•C 02:46, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:04, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Ref 2 doesn't clearly cite "over 130".
  • No, it was difficult to find anything that did. It has "wt133", which means that match was the 133rd, but I agree it is a little "jargonny" to use as a reference. How about this page which states that it is displaying "Showing 1 - 50 of 135" in "Statistics / Statsguru / Women's Test matches / Aggregate/overall records"? Still not ideal, but acceptable? Harrias talk 09:35, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Title of list should be "five-wicket hauls" not "five wickets" because the haul includes "more than or equal to five", whereas "five" means... "five".
  • I think you're right, although to play devil's advocate, any one who took six wickets also took five. As with anything relating to article titles, I'll leave this for a few days in case anyone else comments, because otherwise it can get messy moving the list about a few times. Harrias talk 09:35, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "on Test debut, and is one of three occasions on which a player has claimed seven wickets on their women's Test debut" repetitive (Test debut).
  • "on debut, is the only player to have taken ten wickets in a match on debut" ditto (on debut).
  • Link "over".
  • " allowing just 0.44 runs per over" -> "conceding just..."
  • "delivering 11.1 overs for her six for 21" other way round -> "six wickets for 21 runs from 11.1 overs." The Rambling Man (talk) 21:26, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Looks a bit better upon revisiting the page. :) Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 16:53, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Zia Khan 15:18, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Links to wickets and innings
  • Alt text for the image
  • Try to reduce the red links

Zia Khan 00:38, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Done the first two, and working on the third. Harrias talk 21:53, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Meets the standards. Zia Khan 15:18, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "Maclagan's bowling figures of seven wickets for 10 is the best by any woman on Test debut". "is" → "are"?
  • Minor, but the semi-colon in the photo caption should be a regular old comma instead. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:23, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • But I do so like semi-colons! Both issues fixed. Harrias talk 16:54, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:07, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Link runs in the lead
  • "Betty Wilson, who was the fourth player to take five wickets in an innings on debut, is the only player to have taken ten wickets in a match on debut" - "player" repetitive
  • You say seven wickets for 10, and five wickets for 51 runs in the subsequent sentence. This might comfuse someone who is not a great follower of cricket
  • Why is ESPNcricinfo not linked in the refs.
    • For <ref name="t1"/> you could expand the ref in the first occurrence itself. —Vensatry (Ping me) 18:12, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • You could also include "Drawn" in the key

—Vensatry (Ping me) 17:14, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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