I am nominating this for featured list because it is a good look at a very important subject for the Indonesia WikiProject. Indonesia's national heroes are an interesting bunch, although for the purposes of brevity the most "hooky" aspects of their lives aren't in this article. Did you know that Indonesian heroes...
There's another 151 more, just waiting for your review! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:54, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Resolved comments from --Tomcat(7) 09:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Comments nice to see such lists! Here are my nitpicks:
", defined as "actual deeds which can be remembered and exemplified for all time by other citizens",[a]" - I would change the commas with ndashes or mdashes, because it is in conflict with the list. That phrase may appeal to readers as if it would not address the first phrase.
I would place "It is the highest level of recognition in the country." to the first sentence, "National Hero of Indonesia (Indonesian: Gelar Pahlawan Nasional Indonesia) is the highest level of recognition in the country."...
"The Ministry of Social Affairs gives seven criteria which an individual must fulfill, as follows:" - I would directly address the criteria, eg "The Ministry of Social Affairs gives the following seven criteria (which) an individual must fulfill:"
Not keen on that, as that would make a pretty big run-on sentence. We could move the images up to avoid the white space. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:19, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
That's all I think. Regards. --Tomcat(7) 11:35, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Query We seem to have the photos of a significant number of these heroes. Why not incorporate them into the table?—indopug (talk) 12:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Short answer? Page load times. Assuming we have free images for half of them, 78 images is going to take a lot of bandwidth for people on slower connections (and will make the page even longer than it is now). For something like List of prime ministers of Indonesia, it's doable, but for a list like this I'd rather not impose too much bandwidth consumption.
Also, although more personal, I think having half of them blank is not visually appealing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:33, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Another answer is that some photographs and depictions are a somewhat lacking in their original source and proof of first publication, which makes it difficult to ascertain their copyright status. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 20:38, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I should note, however, that I'm 100% certain that the images used here are PD or under a CC license (I got most of these myself, from PD newspapers or banknotes) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:51, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll give this a full look when I can (my wife's particularly interested in this list as she's Indonesian and knows a few of these people through her family!), but I have three comments to make straight away: -
I think it'd be good to see an image at the top of page to accompany the lead (personally I'd suggest Sukarno, as he's the most well known person on this list).
I'm actually hoping to get down to the Kraton in Yogyakarta when I have some free time. Hamengkubuwono IX's citation is on display there, so "click click".
Not that it really matters, but were you able to get that photo? ★ Bald Zebra ★talk 15:13, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Haven't gone yet. We had a day off today (nyepi), and I wanted to go to the Kraton, but the Mrs she wanted to go to an electronics convention, so... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:20, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
The first image (Abdul Haris Nasution) would look better if it were moved immediately after the heading, rather than before.
Ahmad Yani is described as "killed in the 30th September Movement". This should be changed to "killed by the 30th September Movement" to keep it consistent with other entries who suffered the same fate, such as Donald Izacus Panjaitan.
Support - not finding anything worth opposing over; some redirects, but they all look plausible. The references in the lead paragraph ending in Proclamation of Indonesian Independence are out of order (). But all in all, looks great. --PresN 20:10, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I got that one issue. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:46, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Comment – "National Hero of Indonesia is a the highest-level title awarded in Indonesia." Stray "a" in the first sentence. Can't believe four supporters missed this, but maybe they were looking elsewhere.Giants2008 (Talk) 00:33, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
D'oh. Four supporters and Microsoft Word's spellcheck. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:38, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
The typo was not there when I reviewed it.--— Tomcat(7) 09:39, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Introduced here (after your review), which explains why Word missed it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:50, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
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