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Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 10 Aug 2019 at 20:26:24 (UTC)

A neonate of an insectivorous microbat, surely, not a frugivorous megabat
Reason
This is clearly misidentified. Copying from my post on the Commons file talk page, This article states that newborns of this species weigh ca. 11g at birth. Little brown bats, for example, weigh 5.5–12.5 g as adults. Look at the size of an adult little brown bat relative to the human hand, though [1]. They're small, but definitely not small enough to sit on a fingertip. This is definitely a wrong identification. I believe this image thus fails 5 and 6 of the Featured picture criteria. We may never know the real ID of this bat neonate, giving this image limited encyclopedic value.
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Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Lesser short-nosed fruit bat
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Enwebb (talk)
  • Delist — Enwebb (talk) 20:26, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist, at least until the identification can be sorted out. Mikael Häggström (talk) 06:40, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist Charlesjsharp (talk) 11:47, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Delist nominee has some problem. User agreed that cannot give a definitive answer, and this is not megabat, but Lesser short-nosed fruit bat. Again user talk about weight, why he/she can't describe/object by size? Look at here and tell where it fits? I took it in Sri Lanka. Your disbelief should be with reliable fact. Give me factual explanation than disbelief. --AntanO 16:27, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article says weight 30 to 100 g, length 70 to 127 mm. --AntanO 16:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cynopterus sphinx is a species of megabat as it is in the family Pteropodidae. Not only is this neonate clearly of a different family based on size, let alone the same genus and species, but it is clearly a different family because it has a tragus clearly visible in the photograph. Bats in Pteropodidae do not have tragi [2]. No, I don't know what this bat species is (which makes two of us). I know with certainty that it is not this species though, which is enough to say that it shouldn't be a FP. Enwebb (talk) 18:02, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you talk about Cynopterus sphinx. It is Lesser short-nosed fruit bat and it has tragus. If you reject the ID, give correct one with reference. I photographed with context awareness and I know what are the spices were there. I have given the geo location too. You just oppose without valid reason. --AntanO 03:04, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the incorrect scientific name. You are correct, it is labeled as Cynopterus brachyotis. No, that species doesn't have a tragus. It is a megabat and megabats do not have tragi. I provided a reference above. My reason for oppposing (and everyone else's) is that you have incorrectly identified this bat species. Bats are generally identified using an adult specimen in hand with a dichotomous key. Measurements such as forearm length, greatest length of skull, weight, hind foot length, ear length, and echolocation characteristics are all used. I will not be making a positive ID of this species and I shouldn't have to, because I'm not the one who uploaded it to Commons. It's not my job to fix your ID. As someone who spends many hours working on bat articles, however, I am taking these steps because your erroneous ID is harming public knowledge. Enwebb (talk) 03:15, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
First link given is for Greater short-nosed fruit bat, and second link for Little brown bat which is 5.5–12.5 g (as adults). But, I named it for Lesser short-nosed fruit bat which is 21 - 32 g / 30 - 100 g (as adults). Therefore, newborn can sit on finger. Also, Lesser short-nosed fruit bat has tragi/ear, and you can see it. You said Pteropodidae do not have tragi. What is that ear-shaped portion? Have you ever seen newborn of Lesser short-nosed fruit bat? You just referring from book knowledge. But, I have seen and photographed where Lesser short-nosed fruit bats come to eat fruits. There is no Greater short-nosed fruit bat or Little brown bat (which is not in Sri Lanka). A few were trapped at a house when they changed flight and gave birth. There was 99% change for Lesser short-nosed fruit bat unless 1% change for microbat which infiltrated to that house! --AntanO 17:52, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The pinna are the external ears. Megabats have ears/pinna. The tragi are cartilage flaps in front of the ear opening. Megabats don't have tragi. The bat pictured has a tragus in front of its ear. Therefore it cannot be the species you say it is (nor any bat in that family). Enwebb (talk) 18:45, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You can't conclude from a baby bat. It is common. Also, it has similarity ears like adult of its spices. --AntanO 03:16, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist - on enwiki's FPC process, it's important to get the species right (and it should be used in articles). Ideally, when we find a misidentification, we would also find the correct identification, but it sounds like that's an exceedingly difficult task by photo alone. Unless someone else can provide an alternative, we should thus delist. Commons FP status is less of a problem, though. Misidentification isn't good, but I don't know how willing people would be to delist just on that basis... — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:42, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist. Not in use, not clearly identified. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:39, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • How to clearly identify? --AntanO 16:07, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted --Armbrust The Homunculus 21:25, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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