Wikipedia:Peer review/Ontario Highway 418/archive2

Ontario Highway 418

Previous peer review

I've listed this article for a 2nd peer review because 400-series highways, a good topic, risks losing good topic status because this article is only C-class. I have asked the Canada Roads WikiProject but I haven't had a response from them yet and the good topic grace period is supposed to end on March 9th (in 2 days) because the highway opened on December 9th. I have made some improvements to it but I'm not sure if the article is B-class or GA quality yet.

Thanks, Username⁶⁸⁹² 02:40, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Username6892, I have gone through the article and I believe that the main issue is that you have added info on tolls and exits on the highway, which violates Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not by making Wikipedia more like a travel guide. Besides that, You just need to make sure there are no obvious blunders in grammar and you should use inline citations as well. Regards, RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 07:48, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi RedBulbBlueBlood9911, I didn't add either of them but tolling should definitely be looked at. There appears to be no precedent towards tolling for most road-related WikiProjects, including the Canadian one. I would recommend starting a discussion with the people at WP:HWY to set a precedent, but I've opted to keep them for now because both of the other articles on toll highways in Ontario have similar tables and have already passed GAN with said tables. As for the Exit List, it appears to be compliant with WP:RJL. Username⁶⁸⁹² 18:52, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

To anyone looking to answer this PR: I have some news articles showing support for removing tolls on this highway, including by some local NDP candidates in 2018. In September 2019, the MTO said they were studying the possibility of removing tolls. How should this be mentioned in the article? Username⁶⁸⁹² 01:17, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Comments from Ceranthor

• "The freeway is located entirely within Clarington" - I'd add that Clarington is a municipality or a general but brief description of it for a lay reader unfamiliar with the area
  • I put Municiality of Clarington, but I think a reader who wasn't sure would read the article.
• "Highway 418 opened on December 9, 2019, alongside the extension of Highway 407 to Highways 35 and 115.[1]" - don't need a comma here
  • I've removed the comma.
• "The entire length of the route lies between Hancock Road and Rundle Road, within Courtice." - no idea what Courtice is
  • I've bluelinked it.
• "The report also recommended the highway be 6 lanes by 2031.[5]" - bit wordy on the second half of this sentence
  • I've rewritten it
• " It was split into 2 phases (2A and 2B)." - don't think you need parentheses; a comma would be fine
  • Done
• The level of detail under tolls seems incredibly excessive. I can't imagine other good articles or featured articles on roads contain that much crufty information. ceranthor 21:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Revision 637567766 of Ontario Highway 407 passed GAN with a similar table, but I will ping @Rschen7754:, who passed the article.
    • @Ceranthor: After another editor added a maint template to the article, I've made a draft for converting the tolling section into prose. Please review if possible.
      • I've copied it to the article. Username⁶⁸⁹² 21:52, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
• Why does ref 17 have a quotation in the citation? The others don't follow that style...
  • That was the only part that explicitly mentioned it, though other parts showed the division was obvious, so I've removed the quotes.

Prose seems mostly fine otherwise. Same with the sources. Images also seem fine. This isn't too far off being GA level imo, other than the toll coverage issue. ceranthor 21:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. If I can't get a response about tolling soon, I will try to discuss at WP:HWY. Username⁶⁸⁹² 22:48, 4 April 2020 (UTC)