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UEFA World Cup Qualifying[edit]

I understand that each group winner qualifies directly and then 8 second place teams play head-to-head home-and-away series for the 4 remaining spots. How are these 2nd place pairings decided? Are they random or seeded in some way? —D. Monack talk 00:25, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

As you probably noticed, neither the Wikipedia pages 2010 FIFA World Cup qualification and 2010 FIFA World Cup qualification (UEFA) nor the FIFA guide to qualification (pdf) fully explain the format for the playoffs. Wikipedia page 2010 FIFA World Cup qualification (UEFA) explains how they decide which teams go through but not how the playoffs are arranged. If you see 2006 FIFA World Cup qualification (UEFA play-off) you'll find how they did it last time: the runners-up were divided into 2 pools (effectively seeded and unseeded), and then a draw was held. (As a sidenote, I seem to recall in the past there has been controversy over the play-offs when FIFA/UEFA were seen to be fixing it to ensure bigger teams did not come up against each other in the play-offs, so if they haven't specified the rules in advance there may be further controversy come 2010.) --Maltelauridsbrigge (talk) 15:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. It's kind of absurd that they wouldn't establish rules ahead of the tournament, but from what I know about UEFA & FIFA it doesn't surprise me. Pretty shady. —D. Monack talk 07:02, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


1. What is the most obscure Nintendo 64 game? 2. What is the most obscure N64 game made by Nintendo themselves? February 15, 2009 (talk) 01:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

There's no way that can be quantitatively decided. Give me a definition of "obscure" and I'll give you an answer. Paragon12321 02:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Obscure is a very relative term. There may be some games whose sales figures were appallingly low (say, in the thousands or hundreds). Also, there are likely "unliscenced" games which were compatable with the system, but were not "authorized" for use therin. Are you looking for the worst selling games, or what? 02:41, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
The most obscure game is probably something like "Hungry Hedgehog". Only one cartridge was made. It barely functioned - when it functioned at all. The Nintendo 64 was losing popularity. The game was abandoned. Only two people ever saw the title screen come up. The cartridge (including the faulty eprom burner) are in a landfill somewhere now. -- kainaw 02:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Is the above serious? I find it hard to believe that a "production run" of one cartridge was made. To fire up the entire assembly process for a single cartridge seems silly... 03:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Interesting that if you put "Hungry Hedgehog" into google, the first thing that comes up is "Kainaw's Hungry Hedgehog"... Having said that, I don't doubt there were games with only one cartridge, made by the fans... that didn't work --WORM | MЯOW 07:40, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Exactly... what do you think an eprom burner was used for? That is how the fans made their own games for all the consoles until they started coming out on disks. Unfortunately, my second-hand eprom burner was terrible and the "make your own cartridge" cartridge wouldn't stay together (the insides shifted around when you put the cartridge in). I'm certain that I'm not the only person who attempted to make a game for a console machine, so there are certainly many other 1-cartridge games out that and some of them may actually work. -- kainaw 15:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
The landfill thing reminds me to ET for NES. The cartridges of that game actually rest in a landfill in New Mexico. --Constructor 15:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, not quite. It was made for the Atari 2600, not the NES. -- Captain Disdain (talk) 07:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
The most obscure game would likely be famous for having that property. —Tamfang (talk) 16:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

ESRB rating[edit]

I just saw a commercial for "Shaun White Snowboarding" that said it had a rating RANGE from E 10+ to T (Everyone ten and over to Teen). How is that possible? --MrE1 (talk) 02:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

The game isn't out yet, so it doesn't have a rating yet. The range is just a guesstimate by the developers. Paragon12321 02:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
It's coming out on multiple platforms, different versions may have different ratings. (I'd guess E10+ for the wii version and T for 360/PS3)-- Mad031683 (talk) 15:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
According to ESRB : T on "Windows PC, Xbox 360, PlayStation 3", E 10+ on "PlayStation 2, PSP". There is also "Shaun White Snowboarding Road Trip" for Wii rated E 10+, and "Shaun White Snowboarding DS" rated E.
They're listed as four different games, so I would assume that the PC, 360 and PS3 games are all essentially the same, but that the PSP/PS2 version has different content. While the versions for Nintendo platforms are different enough that they've even got slightly different titles.
For future reference, the final authority on game ratings seems to be this web-site : [1] APL (talk) 17:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Question about a music style, genre and/or sub-genre of a song[edit]

Can someone say to me the style and the genre and/or the subgenre of this song??
The name of the music is chuva agora, from a brazillian band nove mil anjos. (talk) 18:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

The Portuguese wikipedia confirmed my impression: "Nove Mil Anjos é uma banda de pop rock brasileira." - Nove Mil Anjos is a Brasilian pop rock band. --NorwegianBlue talk 18:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
This is band is not pop rock. I've heard a band that a sounded little similar to this song of the band, but i dont remenber the name of the artist or the genre that the band played.
PS: I am brazillian and know the portuguese wikipedia article. But this band is not pop rock (the article in protuguese wikipedia, is new, so people that know the real genre of the band didnt gone to the article yet to change the genre). (talk) 19:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, I listened to the clip one more time. I suppose you'll agree that it's rock? I agree that the sound is heavier that what you'd usually call "pop". To my ears, it doesn't have any characteristics that are particularly Brazilian, except for the language of course. I'm afraid I can't be of more help with the sub-genre. --NorwegianBlue talk 20:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Musical sub-genres are generally quite contentious, generally because most bands (and their fans) don't like to be pigeonholed into a genre, and all genres carry some connotation with them that people don't want to have. The genre associations often have little to do with the style of music in terms of what it sounds like, but more upon the "image" the band has cultivated. Is ACDC hard-rock or heavy metal? Is Skid Row hair metal or not? Is Red Hot Chilli Peppers alternative rock, funk rock, alternative funk, funk-punk, or what? If they are popular in their own nation, they are "pop", if they play 2 guitars, a bass, and a drum kit they are "rock". Anything else is useless bickering over arbitrary distinctions. 20:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Jayron32 I was talking about the genre and sub-genre of the song, and not about the band genre. I posted this video here because, i was thinking that someone that know what genre is would listen the music and easily say the genre and sub-genre of the music. I mean, like I said I remember listening some bands like this , but now i dont remember who those bands are. (talk) 22:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Now i remember the genre that I was talking about. So, will make another question. Is the genre of this song funk rock??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

See Jayron32's answer to the question Coverage of heavy metal albums, tagged by genre below, which I think answers your question. You are requesting us to present opinion as it it were fact, regardless of whether you're asking for the sub-genre of the song, the album it appeared in, or the band. --NorwegianBlue talk 20:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Al Bundy song?[edit]

I remember there was one episode of "Married with Children" where Al Bundy got a song tune in his head, but couldn't remember the name of the song. Of course, it didn't help that he could only vaguely hum two or three bars. I remember it drove him crazy. Did he ever find out the name of the song, and if so, what was it? Thanks everyone!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

It was "Anna (Go to Him)". He found a 45 of it, bought it, and very carefully took it home, only to have Kelly's boyfriend break it before he could play it. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
The article Earworm may be of interest to you. 12:27, 17 October 2008 (UTC)