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A question on Wikipedians and personal micro economics

What are the ways most full time Wikipedians balance pressures of their personal economic life and need to earn?

Whether these economic pressures in personal life are dealt with differently by Wikipedians in developed countries and developing countries?

Any particular surveys on this topic?

Bookku (talk) 03:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, it’s about 38-42 hour of work per week, and the rest (126-128) for other things. DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 07:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

They collect data on Wikipedians' economic activity? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 08:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

There have been several surveys; see e.g. WP:Wikipedians. I did not find any studies that considered this topic or that collected information that allowed drawing relevant conclusions. How does one define "full time Wikipedian"? One global Wikipedia survey found that respondents to a questionnaire spend on average under four hours per week contributing to Wikipedia.^[1] Lack of time was reported by some respondents as a reason for not contributing more, but this is not clearly related to their time spent on earning an income. A study by the Wikimedia Foundation found that only 6% of Wikipedians contribute to Wikipedia for more than 4 hours on a daily basis.^[2] The oldest cohort was the most prolific, so there may be an effect of retirees contributing relatively more.  --Lambiam 08:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Some thing like minimum 6-8 hours Wikipedia activity a day or more, I would consider almost full time. Bookku (talk) 09:51, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

But people don't punch in and out of Wikipedia, there are only timestamps. So, you might see me edit at 7:15 AM and again at 4:33 PM of the same day and you'd have no way of knowing whether I was on WP for two minutes total or nine hours total (and just spent a long time in the edit window, typing away). You're going to need something like an edit count, like an average of 100+ non-minor edits (that's five minutes per edit for eight hours) per day for X days or something along those lines. Then identify all those people and ask them all how much they make. Good luck with that. Matt Deres (talk) 15:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Consider also that a good many Wikipedians are [per Lambiam above] doubtless retired (like myself), so the amount of time we spend on Wikipedia has no impact on our 'personal economic life', it's merely a matter of how we allocate our leisure activities. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.186 (talk) 22:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I am a sample of one, whatever that is worth. I have been editing for nearly 15 years. I have been self employed for over 30 years and I used to travel extensively around Northen California doing construction related repair work, as well as business related paperwork from my home office. A bit over three years ago, I semi-retired and my oldest son now does the actual repairs and I just do an hour or two of sales and customer communications a day. In 2018, 2019 and 2020, I averaged about 6500 edits per year. In 2020, 2021 and 2022, I averaged about 11,000 edits a year. So, in my case, a dramatic reduction in time devoted to paying work led to a significant increase in Wikipedia editing. Cullen328 (talk) 20:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

1916 electoral districts in Warsaw?

I'm working of a draft on the 1916 municipal elections in Warsaw (Draft:1916 Warsaw election), held under German occupation. I've been able to triangulate most of the results, just few fixes remaining. Notably the electorate was divided into 6 curia with 15 seats each. But I can't get hold of the mapping of the electoral districts (which would be super interesting, as it would allow to give a snapshot of the economic and ethnic structure of the city at the time).

Basically I have 3 references:

• Goniec Poranny. 1916, no 317 p. 1 - June 27, 1916 - here there is a listing of the distribution of voters of Curia I, II, IV, V, VI across 52 electoral districts. Curia III doesn't seem to be divided by districts. But the number of Curia III voters match the later election results coverage.

Putting these numbers into a table, it looks like this (notably some totals don't add up):

Registered voters in Curia I, II, IV, V, VI by electoral district

District (Bezirk/Okrąg) Curia I Curia II Curia IV Curia V Curia VI Total of all 5 Curias Total as stated in Goniec Poranny Difference between totals 1 95 15 54 104 1425 1693 1694 -1 2 14 101 294 270 1363 2042 2169 -127 3 52 20 107 32 597 808 808 0 4 106 1 230 40 1335 1712 1712 0 5 73 24 355 102 1208 1762 1762 0 6 74 12 464 188 1477 2215 2215 0 7 95 16 312 123 1226 1772 1772 0 8 113 36 460 224 1546 2379 2379 0 9 58 7 139 12 801 1017 1017 0 10 94 56 1225 397 835 2607 2607 0 11 67 17 783 151 854 1872 1862 10 12 89 18 872 232 950 2161 2161 0 13 88 24 657 252 1683 2704 2704 0 14 34 1 99 16 848 998 998 0 15 52 4 233 74 976 1339 1335 4 16 44 3 124 20 917 1108 1108 0 17 117 12 281 133 1620 2163 2163 0 18 112 7 369 126 1276 1890 1890 0 19 69 5 214 42 999 1329 1329 0 20 146 21 508 227 1543 2445 2445 0 21 46 11 604 81 1084 1826 1826 0 22 85 12 379 53 1340 1869 1869 0 23 63 3 178 31 1043 1318 1318 0 24 109 49 669 244 1231 2302 2302 0 25 152 35 455 273 1508 2423 2423 0 26 132 42 411 209 1514 2308 2308 0 27 164 29 131 274 813 1411 1411 0 28 38 1 153 15 946 1153 1153 0 29 113 47 227 183 671 1241 1241 0 30 146 67 309 224 704 1450 1450 0 31 117 18 249 153 1314 1851 1851 0 32 157 47 334 388 1048 1974 1974 0 33 192 24 387 227 1194 2024 2024 0 34 89 81 226 130 521 1047 1047 0 35 151 65 536 157 1241 2150 2150 0 36 194 40 359 291 1295 2179 2169 10 37 150 40 268 268 853 1579 1579 0 38 27 4 75 23 623 752 752 0 39 102 2 223 44 1113 1484 1384 100 40 157 7 216 45 1070 1495 1495 0 41 110 10 481 84 1194 1879 2179 -300 42 73 1 63 10 489 636 636 0 43 186 6 350 1 1370 1913 1913 0 45 119 0 55 0 262 436 436 0 46 65 0 64 0 250 379 379 0 47 214 4 95 0 431 744 744 0 48 140 4 119 1 566 830 830 0 49 123 0 125 0 508 756 756 0 50 149 0 143 0 293 585 585 0 51 127 0 98 0 112 337 437 -100 52 172 1 88 0 325 586 586 0 Total of the 52 districts above 5454 1050 15850 6174 50405 78933 79337 -404 Total as stated in Goniec Poranny 5674 1283 16050 5794 51077 79878 79878 Difference between totals -220 -233 -200 380 -672 -945 -541

• Then we have Wybory do rady miejskiej in Kurjer Warszawski, July 16, 1916. p. 4, giving a district by district result of the vote in Curia VI. Notably there was no election in Curia I, II, IV, V as there has been a consensus pact of all parties on a single slate. So it was only in Curia III (Intellectuals, where no geographic division was made, rather the curia was divided into groups that all voted in same location July 10 or 11 or 12) and Curia VI (general population, i.e. the working class) where an election was held. Kurjer Warszawski gives result in 54 electoral districts. There seem to be some correlation with the list from Goniec Poranny, but the 2 lists are not matching.

Results in the 6th Curia election by electoral district

District List I (PPS-Frakcja) List II (SDKPiL) List III (Bund/PPS-Lewica) List IV (Folkists) List V (National Democracy) List VI (Assoc. Jewish Voters) Total 1 257 58 19 57 715 12 1,118 2 294 48 16 27 721 13 1,119 3 66 26 9 43 282 15 441 4 149 68 28 223 512 20 1,000 5 35 28 95 463 154 71 846 6 35 22 157 301 56 63 634 6-a 32 35 112 181 84 41 485 7 56 43 208 426 81 64 878 8 37 43 181 361 103 61 786 9 204 82 11 35 277 7 616 10 2 11 92 427 20 40 592 11 4 12 93 433 13 69 624 12 15 12 136 395 28 85 671 13 12 9 233 420 13 37 724 13-a 11 4 147 234 11 29 436 14 60 27 135 208 73 17 520 15 9 7 208 364 31 33 652 16 107 30 70 208 147 25 587 17 83 60 72 199 274 70 758 17-a 44 47 42 108 216 44 501 18 131 104 74 179 460 67 1,015 19 123 90 30 43 279 27 592 20 74 62 95 120 270 62 683 20-a 71 41 4 81 210 51 458 21 30 17 118 407 79 71 722 22 202 149 41 118 455 40 1,005 23 237 114 43 63 292 23 772 24 28 43 122 390 130 128 841 25 53 47 114 217 132 72 635 25-a 33 31 73 118 122 42 419 26 87 62 40 53 339 46 627 26-a 92 38 29 37 273 23 492 27 111 44 8 13 414 14 604 28 110 136 49 73 316 12 696 29 97 24 6 3 395 7 532 30 109 30 6 21 366 16 548 31 304 47 23 36 595 7 1,012 32 118 51 23 15 624 15 846 33 190 62 23 39 384 26 724 34 34 19 14 32 303 12 414 35 119 60 71 170 377 72 869 36 171 40 15 70 657 31 984 37 111 21 15 20 473 9 649 38 257 58 19 88 712 12 1,146 39 199 19 44 223 236 19 740 40 216 59 28 145 262 27 737 41 252 45 68 262 217 25 869 42 154 32 15 36 101 11 349 43 216 241 18 42 366 18 901 44 14 2 1 32 37 0 86 45 19 15 15 62 22 2 135 46 95 10 3 3 22 8 141 47 65 40 3 29 73 3 213 48 133 35 30 28 107 7 340

• Then we have this ordinance and as well as this, that instructs where and when Curia VI voters are supposed to vote. But the number of districts is far smaller than in the 2 tables above and doesn't seem to cover even all commissariats. The latter ordinance links commissariats to electoral districts, seems they are the old pre-commissariats mentioned as 1908-1916 on pl.wiki (https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podzia%C5%82_administracyjny_Warszawy).

Is there any source or anything that could link up the electoral districts with a map, a listing of addresses or at least a clear division of electoral districts per commissariats? Any input that would help putting pieces together would be appreciated. -- Soman (talk) 11:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Soman -- You might have better luck asking somebody on Polish Wikipedia who has relevant knowledge. Unfortunately, Polish Wikipedia does not have a functioning "Embassy" page to encourage cross-language contacts, the way that many other Wikipedia language versions do, so I'm not sure where you'd start... AnonMoos (talk) 19:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)