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March 14[edit]

"Ghout" agricultural practice, written in Arabic[edit]

Hello all, I'm working on Globally Important Agricultural Heritage Systems and I feel compelled to present the concept of ghout^[1] (basically planting date palms like 10 m deep, out of the wind and closer to the groundwater) in Arabic. I don't know what to search or where to ask. All the machines think i want gout, which I do not. Help? jengod (talk) 02:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic, غوط is a plural form of a noun meaning "cavity, hollow, depression"... AnonMoos (talk) 07:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see^[1] the same written form for singular and plural. --Lambiam 10:54, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The same Arabic-alphabet spelling, a different pronunciation... AnonMoos (talk)

The Arabic Wikipedia defines "the Ghout " as "a deep depression between sand dunes with a depth of 40 meters and a diameter of 80 to 200 meters, dug by farmers to plant palm trees". (I think that the stated depth is too specific for a definition.) The article in the Journal of Aridland Agriculture linked to states that Ghout is a vernacular term for a large crater (of this type). A helpful publication is the FAO publication "Globally Important Agricultural Heritage Systems",^[2] which gives simple synopses of this and other heritage systems. --Lambiam 10:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is delightful. I don't know how you did this but it's amazing. TY so much. jengod (talk) 14:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You've likely already seen this 2018 paper^[3] specifically about the Ghouts of Souf, but I thought it might also be interesting to others who happen across this section.--William Thweatt ^Talk^Contribs 14:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AnonMoos, Lambian, WilliamThweatt — thank you all again. I added the Interlanguage link, the definition and Arabic script with cite, and I will probably be compelled to create a minimalist article on the topic in the near future with all these good sources. Blessings on your houses etc etc. :) jengod (talk) 16:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jengod: You can exclude terms with - in DuckDuckGo. es:Sistema ghout de oasis has references in Spanish and French. --Error (talk) 23:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bravo you Error. I have added the ILL to the GIAHS page and since the arwiki and eswiki each had their own separate Wikidata item submitted my first-ever "Wikidata Interwiki conflicts" report so that was exciting for me. 😝 anyway Thank you! jengod (talk) 01:01, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306018010_Some_agricultural_techniques_to_cope_with_the_fluctuation_of_the_groundwater_level_in_arid_environments_Case_of_the_Souf_Oasis_Algerian_Sahara

days of the week in Catalan and Occitan[edit]

In Occitan and Catalan, all the days of the week begin with di– (contrary to some other Romance languages in which most of them end with di). How, then, are they abbreviated? —Tamfang (talk) 23:56, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Check out the Catalan part of this Quora thread. Couldn't find anything about Occitan, but I'd guess it's similar. Heavy Water (talk) 00:09, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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