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Korean DMZ question[edit]
Why are the two men on the sides of this image partially staring at the corner of the building? Is it to both maintain eye contact with the building in the distance while also being able hide from possible attack easily? †dismas†|(talk) 15:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes. Opposing North (DPRK) and South (ROK) Korean soldiers present defiant stances to each other across the DMZ. The DPRK are said to select exceptionally well fed troops for this duty. ROK soldiers adopt a modified taekwondo stance meant to appear intimidating and according to this video they hide part of the body behind a corner of the conference building to be less of a target to the North Koreans and to be able to signal quickly to counterparts if trouble arises. Experience of an ROK guard. SdrawkcaB99 (talk) 17:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
how to contact human rights of united nations[edit]
I’m a landed immigrant who got a Canadian citizenship in 2004. Started odd job permanently in 2010 when didn’t get a professional opportunity (a master degree in engineering from #1 university of Canada) in ten years due to employment discrimination against immigrants. Did more than 30 unthinkable hard/odd jobs for survival since 2000 but now they give us hard time in even menial jobs too. Tired of incessant discrimination and harassment. None of the appropriate department responded positively whenever a complaint was made. Sometimes they don’t even acknowledge. I don’t want to go into detail here but can someone help how to reach the Human Rights of United Nations regarding the stark human rights violation in Canada before I die in freezing temperature. Also can a Canadian (50+) with the above-mentioned situation who burnt his boat in the country of his origin seek asylum in the United States -Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.66.1.32 (talk) 18:53, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Here is the contact information for the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. --Jayron32 19:12, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think the UNHCR takes representation from the general public. Have you tried contacting an immigration lawyer to see if they can assist in your case? They might be willing to do pro-bono work for you. LongHairedFop (talk) 20:25, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Maybe not the UNHCR, but there are parts of the UN which can take individual complaints about human rights violations in certain circumstances, whether or not they're likely to be able to do anything about them. This page outlines them [1]. The OP did not ask about the UNHCR anyway, which note is the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees so while it does deal with human rights issues, it's not it's primary mission. (Note that the UNHCR does take complaints from the general public relating to their staff [2]). If you meant the UNHRC i.e. the United Nations Human Rights Council, then the claim isn't really true. This page outlines [3] in what circumstances and how they will deal with individual complaints. (It's supposed to be linked from the earlier page, but the link is broken.) Note that this isn't intended to suggest that it's the best option, or that the specific issue outlined is anything covered by any of the complaint procedures. Besides contacting a lawyer, you can ask at one of the US embassies or consulates in Canada to find out if you can seek asylum in the US [4]. Nil Einne (talk) 04:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)- You're not going to get granted asylum for job discrimination. especially in these bizarro times and super duper especially from Canada. The traffic's more the other way.[5] Clarityfiend (talk) 05:09, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- As with all legal advice questions, we should be very careful about commenting without knowing much of the individual circumstance. We do have a Asylum in the United States article and neither it or anything you've linked suggests it's literally impossible for someone from Canada to seek asylum in the US. The job thing may be masking the totality of the circumstances which would be considered by anyone competent advising. For example, the answer may very well differ depending on whether the OP is a Muslim Pakistani immigrant who's wife and daughters wear a niqab or a white blonde male Evangelical Christian Swede who keeps annoying people when he insists we need to kick out (if they're lucky) all these darkies (including those who were born in Canada 20 years before they came over from Sweden) and how he's sick of all these feminazis complaining whenever someone touches them and lamenting about these ridiculous restrictions on guns. (The Swede example may not seem that likely from the description, especially since a Swede would still likely be able to move to another country in the EU even if they've burnt their bridges in Sweden, but can't be completely ruled out.) Nil Einne (talk) 07:20, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- You're missing the point. Has anybody ever gotten asylum for job discrimination? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- As with all legal advice questions, we should be very careful about commenting without knowing much of the individual circumstance. We do have a Asylum in the United States article and neither it or anything you've linked suggests it's literally impossible for someone from Canada to seek asylum in the US. The job thing may be masking the totality of the circumstances which would be considered by anyone competent advising. For example, the answer may very well differ depending on whether the OP is a Muslim Pakistani immigrant who's wife and daughters wear a niqab or a white blonde male Evangelical Christian Swede who keeps annoying people when he insists we need to kick out (if they're lucky) all these darkies (including those who were born in Canada 20 years before they came over from Sweden) and how he's sick of all these feminazis complaining whenever someone touches them and lamenting about these ridiculous restrictions on guns. (The Swede example may not seem that likely from the description, especially since a Swede would still likely be able to move to another country in the EU even if they've burnt their bridges in Sweden, but can't be completely ruled out.) Nil Einne (talk) 07:20, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- You're not going to get granted asylum for job discrimination. especially in these bizarro times and super duper especially from Canada. The traffic's more the other way.[5] Clarityfiend (talk) 05:09, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe not the UNHCR, but there are parts of the UN which can take individual complaints about human rights violations in certain circumstances, whether or not they're likely to be able to do anything about them. This page outlines them [6]. The OP did not ask about the UNHCR anyway, which note is the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees so while it does deal with human rights issues, it's not it's primary mission. (Note that the UNHCR does take complaints from the general public relating to their staff [7]).
If you meant the UNHRC i.e. the United Nations Human Rights Council, then the claim isn't really true. This page outlines [8] in what circumstances and how they will deal with individual complaints. (It's supposed to be linked from the earlier page, but the link is broken.) One of the requirements is that "Domestic remedies have been exhausted, unless it appears that such remedies would be ineffective or unreasonably prolonged", which I suspect is fairly common for most UN complaint procedures.
And note that none of this is intended to suggest complaining to the UN is the best option, or that the specific issue outlined is anything covered by any of the complaint procedures.
Besides contacting a lawyer, you can ask at one of the US embassies or consulates in Canada to find out if you can seek asylum in the US [9]. Although very rare, it's not completely unheard of for someone from a developed country with a resonable reputation for human rights to successfully seek asylum in another such developed country. These articles discuss examples of the opposite direction, US citizens seeking asylum outside the US [10]. Note that many of the cases of US citizens seeking asylum in Canada seem to be children who are citizens along with their parents who are not per [11]. Again none of this is intended to comment on your chances in the specific case outlined, that's why you should contact the US authorities, a lawyer or look into the details yourself.
- Any complaint to the UN can only be heard if all domestic means of seeking redress have been exhausted, e.g. the Canadian Human Rights Commission as well as provincial equivalent bodies. But this whole conversation is veering very close to legal advice. The OP should seek legal counsel. --Xuxl (talk) 14:42, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Proving discrimination is always a difficult proposition. Claiming that everyone is biased against you can sound like an excuse for your unemployability. Canada's unemployment rate is currently rock bottom, which yields a double-edged sword: on the one hand, it will seem suspicious that anyone who wants a job is unemployed, but it also means that a huge portion of immigrants and refugees must have found jobs. Saying that Company X discriminated against you, even though they hired a bunch of other immigrants, would be a tough argument to make stand up in court. Matt Deres (talk) 17:22, 10 January 2018 (UTC)