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May 5[edit]

Who can figure out music pieces used in this recording?[edit]

Listening here: File:Radio Vietnam (Tiếng nói nước Việt Nam) from Saigon, Republic of Vietnam (VNCH) circa 1974.ogg -- Great Brightstar (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

The Classical-music fragments, which appear to be from the same piece, sound familiar and Mozartesque to me, but I can't place them. They could to be from the opening bars of a symphony or concerto (but not of a Mozart symphony or concerto I know).  --Lambiam 07:48, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
@Great Brightstar: At last, a question I can answer. It's the beginning of the overture to Der Schauspieldirektor (The Impresario) by Mozart. Got it in one, within the first couple of seconds. This Youtube vid shows the full score. The opening sequence in your clip starts at the very beginning and fades out in the first bar of page 3, around 0:22. The ending sequence from around 1:00 in your clip fades in at the same place, and ends at the end of page 5, around 0:45. The page numbering on the actual score is a bit weird. The piece is in C major, but the pitch of your clip is considerably higher, more like C#. Maybe the playback speed is too fast (most likely), or maybe it was recorded at that pitch. Cheers, :>MinorProphet (talk) 14:58, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

May 7[edit]

Question about Mj Rodriguez[edit]

I know it says in her article that her father is Puerto Rican and African-American origin. I'm just curious, is she through her father of Afro-Puerto Rican descent? She is really pretty. 2001:569:7D97:D200:C450:A11:5371:2D66 (talk) 06:11, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Our article Afro–Puerto Ricans defines the term as referring to "Puerto Ricans who are of predominant or partial African descent". So if her father is African-American and Puerto Rican, this implies he is an Afro-Puerto Rican, making her "of Afro-Puerto Rican descent" through her father – although the term is not used in the article.  --Lambiam 07:23, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Question about Bob Marley's wife/widow[edit]

Did Bob Marley's wife Rita Marley have a stroke recently or something? There is online video that her daughter took of her mother talking back in January sounding like she had/has a stroke: And it was to dispel rumors that she passed on. 2001:569:7D97:D200:C450:A11:5371:2D66 (talk) 21:21, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

In 2016. Nothing reported more recently. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

May 8[edit]

Harry and Meghan[edit]

The couple's Saturday wedding (which wasn't actually a wedding as they had been married privately under canon law the previous Wednesday) is reported to have cost 35 million dollars (most recently by Virginia Blackburn on page 13 of Thursday's Daily Express). How could one event cost so much money? (talk) 09:20, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Such figures are typically inflated to include costs that would be incurred anyhow, also if the event they are assigned to would not have taken place. For example, for security personnel, one should only include overtime cost, but it is customary to include the full "hourly salary" cost times number of hours, even when the employees involved are paid a monthly salary that is nominally the same regardless. Also, streets need to be swept, roads repaired, and so on, activities that will be performed anyways but are perhaps scheduled earlier, and then these costs are included in the calculation to their full amount. So much of the reported amount is essentially an accounting redistribution of public expenditure.  --Lambiam 11:21, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
They had not been married on the Wednesday, I don't know why people continue to propagate such rubbish. DuncanHill (talk) 11:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
I think you'll find that Harry and Meghan know more about canon law than you. Read the unanimous decision of the House of Lords in Beamish v Beamish (1861) 9 HLC 274; 11 ER 735. (talk) 11:53, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Ludicrous, that case applied the English common law as it stood before 26 Geo. 2, c. 33, and furthermore not even Meghan has claimed they followed the form of solemnization of marriage. DuncanHill (talk) 12:44, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
That date points to 1753, the year of the Clandestine Marriages Act. I quote:

Nor did the Act apply to members of the British Royal Family. Indeed, members of the Royal Family have been consistently exempted from all general legislation relating to marriage since this date, which is why doubts were expressed in 2005 about the ability of Prince Charles to marry Camilla Parker-Bowles in a civil ceremony,[1] civil marriage being the creation of statute law.

  • If you read our article Oprah with Meghan and Harry, in the section titled "Private exchange of vows", you will see this:
    Meghan said that they had in fact married three days before their public wedding, with a private exchange of vows on May 16 in front of the Archbishop of Canterbury.[69] Harry supported this by commenting "Yeah, just the three of us".[70] This earlier exchange of vows was not an official religious or legally recognized marriage, both of which require at least two witnesses.[71][72] Later in March, a spokesperson for the couple confirmed that they merely exchanged "personal vows", and the private event was neither a "legal" nor "official" service.[73] The couple's official marriage certificate also shows that they were married on May 19, with Harry's father and Meghan's mother as witnesses.[73] The Archbishop of Canterbury also clarified their claim, stating "The legal wedding was on the Saturday [May 19]. I signed the wedding certificate, which is a legal document, and I would have committed a serious criminal offence if I signed it knowing it was false".[74] As is customary for clergy, Archbishop Welby refrained from commenting on the nature of any private meetings with the couple, but added he "had a number of private and pastoral meetings with the duke and duchess before the wedding".[74]
  • If you know better than the Archbishop of Canterbury, please update the article. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 17:43, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
For a breakdown of costs (not sure how reliable though) see The Exact Cost Of Prince Harry And Meghan Markle's Royal Wedding Makes Our Eyes Water - it mostly went on "security". Thankfully for us British taxpayers, the wedding fripperies themselves were paid for by the Royal Family. I'm not sure if the security costs include the large number of Armed Forces personnel that were involved, since if there was no wedding, we'd only be paying them to march up and down somewhere else. Alansplodge (talk) 00:31, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
This is a link to the Express article that was the basis for that in Elle. Not particularly known for meticulous fact checking, the number it gives for the total is hedged by "is believed to have cost" and "was previously reported to be". The reported estimated security cost, 30 megaquid, is a far cry from what our article states: "By the end of May, it was estimated that the security costs were 'between £2 million and £4 million'. The police and crime commissioner could also apply for special funding if the costs were to exceed 1% of the Thames Valley Police force's annual budget, but at the time the cost was 'well below the £4 million required to make a claim'.[49]" The 32 million number for the overall cost is also mentioned in our article, sourced to an item on the website of The Telegraph,[1] which calls it "an estimated price tag", referring to an estimate by UK wedding planning app, £31,969,873. The latter gets to the security cost estimate as follows: "Separate from the wedding are the security costs. A whopping £30 million was spent for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's wedding in 2011. This year's Royal Wedding will not take place in central London, however, but considering the number of members of the public attending this year's Royal Wedding and the threats that have been made against the bride-to-be, the security is sure to still be tight, with the expected cost being upwards of £30 million."[2] To rack up such a huge number, most of the cost has to be labour cost. 30 million British pounds is in the same ballpark as 42 million US$. Assuming a cost per person hour of $50, some 800,000 hours need to have been spent on security, which seems implausible; spreading this out over a full 40-hour workweek would imply the continued deployment of 20,000 personnel equivalent.  --Lambiam 09:40, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Article updated. (talk) 12:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


  1. ^ Probert, Rebecca, The Wedding of the Prince of Wales: Royal Privileges and Human Rights (2005) Child and Family Law Quarterly (Jordans) 17(363)

Naked photoshoot in Turkey[edit]

I read a news that said stated that there is outrage in turkey after photos of 6 models naked at a beach during photoshoot goes viral, See , where are those photos? Who are the models? Only photo in this news is a blurred one. Also it cites the news from lider and east2west but I am not able to find those news websites -- Parnaval (talk) 13:09, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Here is the news item in Lider. I have the impression that East2West (also spelled using the Latin alphabet on Russian sites) is a Russian news agency that has no web presence but distributes sassy news items to subscribers, apparently mainly the tabloid press. Unblurred nakkid pix were not hard to find.  --Lambiam 19:37, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

May 10[edit]

Question about Dominique Jackson's birth year?[edit]

Why is her birth year listed as 1964/1965? If I'm not mistaken, her birth year listed in her autobiography called The Transsexual from Tobago is 1975. 2001:569:7D97:D200:C450:A11:5371:2D66 (talk) 04:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

The current entry is referenced and linked to a 2020 article by a named journalist which includes the statement "Dominique is now 55 years old . . . ", though I wouldn't like to comment on the reliability of the source publication.
Particularly in the realms of modelling, acting etc., claims by subjects or their publicists about their ages are treated with caution, because it's often professionally advantageous to exaggerate one's youth (or, in cases where early underage performances may have occurred, age) – see Age fabrication. How reliable the subject's autobiography is would be a matter of case-by-case judgement, taking into account any corroborative details included.
In this instance, we could decide that either the 2020 article or the autobiography is the more reliable, or remove the age from the infobox and present both conflicting sources in the text (per WP:BLP), or find a further Reliable source to corroborate one or another of the contradictory sources. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 05:34, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Our article states (sourced) that she moved to Baltimore when she was 15, and that, while living there off credit cards for survival, she was introduced to the NYC ballroom scene in (late) 1993, before moving to NYC. If she was 55 in July 2020, she was 28 at the time, much too old to fit the narrative of our ref [8], in which she was "adopted" by Shatira Revlon, who walked up to her on the street and said "You’re going to be my child". The source that has her as having age 55 in 2020 is the odd man out among many sources stating a year of birth, or stating an age from which a year of birth can be deduced (such as, e.g, the Trinidad and Tobago Guardian, which gives her age as 40 in an article dated August 30, 2015[3]).  --Lambiam 07:51, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
While that source (number 8) is talking about her being a teen at the time, I think it's important to understand that a drag house "adoption" can happen at any age. Established queens will often adopt newcomers as "drag children" no matter the age of either individual. --Khajidha (talk) 11:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Translations to German[edit]

Moin. In using english sources while writing articles about NH-towns, I've stumbled upon shoe pegs and mackerel kits. While I'm not quite certain what a shoe peg is, I have absolutely no idea what a mackerel kit might be, as its mentioned among the side-products of a saw-mill, 19. Century, among shingles, bobbins and scythe-stones. So. Can anyone link to/explain to me what "shoe pegs", and what "mackerel kits" or maybe "shingle mackerel kits" are? (thought the latter, I guess, might just be a missing comma). Found here, if anyone wishes to see for oneself. Regards, --G-41614 (talk) 11:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Presumably the second meaning of wikt:kit#Noun? --Wrongfilter (talk) 12:06, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Shoe peg: --Khajidha (talk) 12:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The text in that article is likely grabbed using an optical character reader system, and such systems, when left to work without human checking, are prone to errors. At the very least, it seems rather obvious that there should be a comma between shingles and mackerel kits. Given that the proprietor in question runs a sawmill, wooden shingles seems likely. I have no idea what a mackerel kit would have been in the 19th century. A google search of the term turns up fishing tackle designed for catching mackerel, "kit" in a general sense just means "equipment". I don't know if a) that was the term used then as well or b) if the phrase was garbled by the OCR system, and something else entirely was written there. It would help to see the original work, if you have access to it. --Jayron32 13:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
While I can only see a snippet, there is definitely a comma after "shingles".  --Lambiam 21:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Do you not like the interpretation of kit as "a kind of basket made especially from straw of rushes, especially for holding fish"? The material may have been something more appropriate for a sawmill, though. --Wrongfilter (talk) 14:53, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
After searching for "wooden fish trap", I found images of several types that are made from boards. It seems quite logical to me that a saw mill would make these as a side item, often with scrap lumber. --Khajidha (talk) 15:26, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Could be that too. I pass no judgement on any proposal except to note that without seeing the original page as written, OCR continues to be suspect. I do note that the proprietor in question did not deal exclusively with wood, he also sold distinctive sharpening stones that were used for scythe blades. --Jayron32 16:34, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia has an article titled Creel (basket) that covers baskets used to handle fish. Could be a lead for further research. --Jayron32 16:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
All I could come up with is this, the page would be 443, in the Chapter on Lisbon. Seems like the OCR was the explanation, as the comma's there. Anyhow, thank you all so far. This was helpful, though I will keep an eye here just in case somebody comes up with more details about "mackerel kits". Boxes to handle fish does seem probable, though. Regards, --G-41614 (talk) 19:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Looking around in the source, I notice that many of the businesses engaged in saw milling as well as grist milling, production of whet stones, and polishing granite. At the time, the technologies used for these things would have had significant overlap. --Khajidha (talk) 20:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
PS to anyone else checking that source: the page number G-41614 gave is the page number printed on the original, the number displayed on the reader is about 100 pages higher. --Khajidha (talk) 20:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Manufacturing mackerel kits was apparently such a business that a mill could carry the name "The Mackerel Kit Factory", employing twelve men using five hundred cords of saplings in the manufacture of eighty thousand mackerel kits.[4] A mackerel-kit was an object an adult man could turn upside-down and then sit on.[5] Others too are reported as sitting on an inverted mackerel kit.[6][7] An old-fashioned milk-pail with wooden hoops could look more like a mackerel kit than a modern milk-pail.[8] Retail market reports listing the market price of foodstuffs report a price for "Mackerel, kit",[9] so apparently mackerel was sold by the kit, like the prices of other items are listed by the gallon or bushel. Mackerel kits could be fashioned of wood, since someone is reported to have brought a grape vine root in a wooden mackerel kit,[10] which at the same time suggests they could also be fashioned of other materials. A mackerel kit may assume such a form that it can be called "an old tub".[11] Together, this strongly suggests that senses 1 and 2 of wikt:kit#Noun are not truly distinct but indicate two different implementations of the same utilitarian object, just like there are not separate senses for "bucket" distinguishing between wooden and metal buckets. Whereas a bucket is supposed to be able to hold a liquid (so that people may report the presence of a hole in the bucket[12]), I suppose that mackerel kits were designed to be leaky.  --Lambiam 07:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Excellent work. It does seem like "creel" may be the thing in question, if there is a German equivalent for the OP to translate, that seems to capture the sense of the object. --Jayron32 12:07, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Ok, I stand impressed. Although using the results of you help might be ill-advised, since as there is no real translation of mackerel kit, translating it as "fish basket" (own re-translation of web-based creel-to-german translation back into english) would be OR, sort of. It could also translate as "lobster trap", but in that case, I would assume, the source would have used lobster pot instead of mackerel kit. In any case, it would seem the product in this particular case was some kind of wooden container for storing or carrying fish. Perhaps I'll mention some sort of wooden boxes to transport fish (not tackle box, of course) and quote the phrase. Thank you all for your troubles and input! Much obliged, --G-41614 (talk) 13:11, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Natrum Muriaticum in Morning Sickness. — G. F. Thornhill. "I had occasion to treat a lady for morning sickness in pregnancy, and the leading symptom was craving for salt. Said she felt as if she could eat the brine out of a mackerel kit". The American homoeopathist (1885) p. 11. Alansplodge (talk) 10:26, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
A keg or barrel seems most likely; "attached by a rope is a buoy, sometimes only an empty powder keg or a mackerel kit" [13]. Mackerel were preserved by being "Split and packed into barrels between layers of salt" [14] in the 19th century. Alansplodge (talk) 10:37, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
"The packing and re-packing of mackerel is an extensive business, and the result of the latter, that is, repacking, is not always satisfactory to dealers or consumers. A barrel of mackerel weighs two hundred pounds. Two half barrels, then, should weigh one hundred pounds each, but it has happened too often that half barrels weighed fifteen or twenty pounds less than the hundred. If a half barrel weighs eighty pounds, the re-packer from a whole barrel saved for his own profit forty pounds, or two kits of mackerel... The same system of packing is carried on with respect to kits, which ought to contain one-tenth of a barrel, or twenty pounds. They are often short three, four, or five pounds. The consumer may be offered a kit of mackerel at an under-price, and, buying, believes he is saving money, when he may be losing by the short weight of the kit." The Grocers' Handbook and Directory by Artemas Ward.
So a small keg containing 20lbs of salt mackerel. Alansplodge (talk) 10:47, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
Heretofore salt mackerel have been put up in wooden barrels, kegs, and kits. The form or kind of vessel was made necessary by the fact that it was difficult or practically out of the question to make a square water-tight box. Report By United States Bureau of Fisheries (1881) p. 222. Alansplodge (talk) 11:06, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
This link [15] takes you straight to the page in question. (talk) 12:43, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

May 11[edit]

Sexual connotation? (Or troll?)[edit]

From the article lapel pin: he pins had counter cultural meanings as well; for example, the pin featuring the robot spacecraft Kosmos 186 (which approached and docked with Kosmos 188) had a sexual connotation..

Is that true? Sounds like a troll. (talk) 09:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Added over 10 years ago, by a drive-by.[16] My money's on trolling. It be gone. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:41, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Probably a good faith edit, see the Kosmos 186 and 188 docking pin, other view. --Pp.paul.4 (talk) 10:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

May 12[edit]

Tesla model 3[edit]

[17] It's a smallish car, right? And its interior is pretty normal for a car of that size? How can the back seat be more comfortable than the front? I'm used to back seats in small cars being cramped, and they're only more comfortable than the front in luxo-barge type cars driven by chauffeurs. Also, how the heck do you move from the front seat to the back while the car is moving? I used to climb over the seat as a little kid, but I think it's not really possible in most cars for a grown person to do it. (And I note the irony of the guy claiming to be a big shot, while driving the economy Tesla model as it were). Thanks. 2601:648:8200:970:0:0:0:B6C3 (talk) 19:21, 12 May 2021 (UTC)