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January 14[edit]

data management[edit]

How do you manage data usage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AanuMercy (talkcontribs) 10:42, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Does this help? If you could be more specific, we could help you find a more specific answer. --Jayron32 13:09, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Do you mean, how does Wikipedia manage the data it collects from its users? If so, does this help? [[1]]--Ykraps (talk) 07:17, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

January 15[edit]

Marriage of Thomas Bell (zoologist) and Jane Sarah Roberts[edit]

I am trying to find - with a citation - the date and place of marriage of Thomas Bell (zoologist) and Jane S. Bell (Q60572861) (née Roberts; b. 1797/8 d. 1873; "sole heir of William Roberts Esq. of Ruabon"). Can anyone with access to English or Welsh BMD records/ genealogical databases assist, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:18, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: What is the earliest date that you know he was married? Mjroots (talk) 07:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
@Mjroots: Information is scant. The best I have is that their daughter was born in 1836, according to ODNB. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:14, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing:I'll see what Gale News Vault turns up.
  1. Apparently he wrote "A History of British Quadripeds", published in 1836 (Varieties, Berrow's Worcester Journal, 20 October 1836, issue 6986).
  2. Daughter born 29 March 1836 - "Births: The Lady of Thomas Bell, Esq., of New Broad-street, of a daughter." (Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries, The Morning Chronicle, 30 March 1836, issue 20378).
  3. Eureka! Married 3 December 1832 at St. Mary's Church, Rotherhithe, Kent (as it then was) - "Married: on the 3rd inst., at St. Mary's, Rotherhithe by the Rev. Thomas Hardwicke, Thomas Bell Esq., of New Broad-street, to Jane Sarah, only daughter of the late William Roberts, Esq., of the former place." (Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries, The Morning Post, 4 December 1832, page 8, issue 19341).
Hope this is useful. Mjroots (talk) 12:46, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Rotherhithe was, of course, in Surrey, not Kent. DuncanHill (talk) 22:01, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
@Mjroots: Very much so! Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:22, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

January 16[edit]

The rear rider on a tandem is a stoker?'[edit]

Good day every body. I learnt that on a tandem, the rear rider is called stoker (Tandem_bicycle#Terminology). We use the same word in French. I went through dictionaries trying to understand why this word with this meaning. Is it because on a steam engine the man who had to put more coal in the fire was the stoker? Thank you for your help.--Jojodesbatignoles (talk) 11:04, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the rear rider is (sometimes) called the stoker. [2] [3] Yes, this is obviously a pun on a steam engine's stoker (but I have no source on that). The stoker is the one who puts energy into the system. Does this answer your question? Jahoe (talk) 11:25, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
The OED definition was written in 1917, and is in desperate need of updating, as it only references the fire meaning. Interestingly, despite the bicycle boom a generation before, and widespread use of tandems, "stoker" had not migrated from engineering to cycling terminology. However, you might enjoy this poem, of unknown provenance, "Shovelling Coal". Note that "fireman" in this sense is synonymous with the first meaning of "stoker", the person who keeps the fire going. Here's one verse; the "it" is the tandem bicycle.
It is like a locomotive, where the captain's engineer,
Who is always barking orders at the fireman in the rear.
That's the way they ran the railroads; with a bike it's not so sweet
For the busy, bustling body on the secondary seat...
...JUST SHOVELING COAL!
--Carbon Caryatid (talk) 15:04, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Nice find! I wonder if it's a "reliable source" in the wikipedia sense, but it does (at least somewhat) answer the OP's question. :) Jahoe (talk) 16:27, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Have a good day. I'm the OP, and I thank you all for your long and rich explainations.--Jojodesbatignoles (talk) 09:21, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Kids grow up and parents don't[edit]

What happens when children grow up and thier parents do not? 5.80.157.38 (talk) 21:54, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm reminded of a line from Monty Python at the Hollywood Bowl, where Eric Idle says, "A typical Hollywood audience... all the kids are on drugs, and all the adults are on roller skates." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:41, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
These might give you some interesting reading on the topic: [4] and [5]. --Jayron32 13:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

The What happens when kids grow up and parents don't tagline is from Rich Kids, a film about two 12-year-olds, the products of Upper West Side broken homes, struggling to make sense of their parents lives and their own adolescent feelings. 5.80.157.38 (talk) 21:56, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Was there a reason for this thread, or are you just wasting our time out of spite?DOR (HK) (talk) 18:05, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Apparently the answer to the OP's question is, "They make a movie out of it." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:31, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

January 18[edit]

Baby display room[edit]

This is a trope I remember from watching old cartoons (and possibly live-action TV as well) as a child. (That is, shows that were old even at the time, so probably 60s/70s era, or maybe even older). In maternity hospitals, new-born babies were essentially placed "on display" in cradles on a table in a room, viewable through a large window. (That's the best description I can come up with. I've tried to find clips or images, but my Google searches can't find any). So my questions: 1) was this ever a real thing, or was it just something that people did on TV? 2) If it was real, what was the reason for it? And if not, where did the trope come from? Iapetus (talk) 16:35, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Here is an informative article from Smithsonian Iapetus. MarnetteD|Talk 16:41, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Many hospitals have or had these in the past. It's just called the nursery of the maternity ward, the same thing you call the room you're going to keep the baby in when they get home. You can see lots of images of hospital nurseries here. These are common enough in just about every U.S. hospital I have been in, I didn't realize no one knew what they were. After the baby is born, the babies can be sent to the nursery so the mother can get some rest; in the past this was done more-or-less automatically, but in recent decades, the trend has changed to let the mother decide when to send them to the nursery or keep them in the mother's room at the hospital. I'm pretty sure the window is there just so parents can see in and see their child while it is being cared for by the neonatal nurse. --Jayron32 20:05, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
In my local hospital this is the "neo-natal ward", which is adjacent to the maternity ward. 2A00:23C0:7983:8301:9589:CA64:2F25:A2E4 (talk) 16:34, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes neo-natal, a fancy-schmancy synonym of "newborn". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:51, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Basically unrelated to the current question but a related medical term which I recently became aware of was the Neonatal intensive care unit. I had the occasion to accompany someone to visit her two prematurely born babies at an NICU. Each of two babies needed surgery before they could be brought home, due to Pyloric stenosis, and the surgeries were done on separate days. In this case there were no viewing areas but there were what I would call cubbyholes where the mother could sit alone with one baby at a time. I had the privilege of driving her home from the hospital with one of the babies, which had already undergone the procedure. I assume the second surgery was done successfully and she got a ride home with that baby but I have no information on that as my role was merely providing transportation. But I found it a very moving experience; I was deeply touched by the experience. I hope this meandering account of personal reflections does not constitute a misuse of the Reference desks and further calls for the Reference desks to be shut down. Bus stop (talk) 19:40, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the opposite of using these nurseries is the practice of Rooming-in, i.e. the newborns sleeping (or not sleeping) next to the bed of the new mother. Interesting that we have a stub on that, but not on the acquarium-style nurseries. --Carbon Caryatid (talk) 23:02, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

“For You” news[edit]

On my Iphone, which i don’t know much about, there’s a news site called “For you.” Is that something that Apple does or what? It is sometimes really trash infotainment and id like to contact them if i knew who they were and how to.Rich (talk) 23:51, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Is this the app you're talking about? (You can see an image of the app on a phone on one of the pictures that cycles through their main page.) If so, the app is made by Fusionex, which appears to be a Malaysian data analytics company. They have a "contact us" section on their website. The app doesn't seem to have any connection with Apple aside from being available on their app store, and you should be able to remove it if you don't like it. -Elmer Clark (talk) 05:26, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

January 19[edit]

Trans problems[edit]

There's a certain person I see in my local store who looks a bit like a woman but who then started sporting a beard whilst elsewhere looking sort of female. How should I address this person: sir, madam, miss, hey you?80.2.22.165 (talk) 23:56, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

There are many ways to initiate or end conversations without using gendered terms. "You finding everything okay?" "Thank you, have a wonderful day." And its possible the person has a medical condition like Polycystic ovary syndrome EvergreenFir (talk) 00:14, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
  • "Hello" is good. You can usually work a conversation without needing to imply their gender. If you present yourself as firstly being open and friendly, rather than judgemental, that's a good start.
If you talk to them (about anything else but) then they might in turn tell you more about who they are and how they like to be addressed. There's a fashion at present in the trans and genderqueer communities to be very upfront about "pronouns", with email .sig files and button badges, saying "My pronouns are 'She / They / He'" and similar. Most people with complex and unexpected pronouns are also pretty accepting about their misuse, so long as it's innocent and early. The problem of other people being boorish about them comes in if they've been told once, then ignored that deliberately. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:09, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Probably not like this [6] Nil Einne (talk) 15:09, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

January 21[edit]