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Article promoted Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SMS Pommern[edit]

Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk)


The last of the Deutschland class, this one is short and sweet, since she was the only battleship of any type lost on either side at Jutland. Thanks to everyone who takes the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 18:18, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comment - Groner (#4) and Herwig (#8) appear in the Footnotes, but are not listed in the References. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 01:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for catching that, both added in. Parsecboy (talk) 02:22, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: I have a few minor observations:

  • inconsistent: "Pommern was laid down on 22 March 1904" (text) v "April 1904" (infobox);
  • inconsistent: "draught" v "draft"
  • "18.7 knots (34.6 km/h; 21.5 mph)" and "18 kn (33 km/h; 21 mph)" (text) v "17 knots" (infobox)
  • "At a cruising speed of 10 kn (19 km/h; 12 mph), she could steam for 5,830 nautical miles" (text) v "5,000 nautical miles (9,000 km; 6,000 mi) at 10 knots"
  • "twenty 8.8 cm (3.5 in) guns in pivot mounts" v "22 × 8.8 cm (3.5 in) SK L/45 naval guns (casemated)"
  • "armored belt was 240 mm (9.4 in) thick amidships and she had a 40 mm (1.6 in) thick armored deck" (text) v "Waterline belt: 230 mm (9 in); Deck: 76 mm (3.0 in)"
  • "between 1908–1914" -> "between 1908 and 1914";
  • "Pommern remained assigned the II Battle Squadron" --> "Pommern remained assigned to the II Battle Squadron";
  • why were they called five-minute ships?
  • "Pommern couldn't" --> "Pommern could not";
  • inconsistent "entire crew of 839 officers and enlisted men" (text) v "Complement 743" (infobox). Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 12:09, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks, they should all be fixed. On the last one, the difference is between peacetime and wartime crews - the latter fluctuates so I only included the former. I did add a line to the construction section on the crew size though. Parsecboy (talk) 15:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - Dank (push to talk)

  • "Pommern was 127.6 m (418 ft 8 in) long, had a beam of 22.2 m (72 ft 10 in), and a draft of 8.21 m (26 ft 11 in).": ... long, with a beam of 22.2 m (72 ft 10 in) and...
  • "resultless": fruitless
  • "At least one torpedo, and possibly a second, struck the ship. The hit detonated one of the 17 cm ammunition magazines aboard Pommern and caused a massive eruption of fire. The tremendous explosion broke the ship in half.": I recommend: "... struck the ship, detonating one of the 17 cm ammunition magazines. A massive explosion and eruption of fire broke the ship in half."
  • Support on prose per new standard disclaimer. - Dank (push to talk) 02:19, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good suggestions, both implemented. Many thanks as always, Dan. Parsecboy (talk) 13:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments

  • A couple of minor niggles only:
  • Capitalize Elbe River
  • spell out 8: 8 pre-dreadnoughts
  • Images are all appropriately licensed.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments — MisterBee1966

  • order under the letter "O", HRS v6 p237
  • speech by the Oberpräsident of Pommern, Helmuth von Maltzahn. p237

That's all which HRS can add, unless you want to know her commanding officers. MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:09, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    • Both added in, thanks for checking HRS for me. Parsecboy (talk) 13:04, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:42, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- It all looks very good (and reasonably familiar!) to me; I've done my (minor) prose tweaks and the referencing, structure, coverage and supporting materials seem fine. Tiny ref niggle is that I wouldn't have thought we needed OCLCs when ISBNs are present... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:30, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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