Talk:Angulimala

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Nirvana?[edit]

Did Angulimala attain Nirvana upon his death? The current article is a little vague on this point. Ewlyahoocom 14:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, according to the Pali Canon, Venerable Angulimala attained arahatship or sainthood and has passed away into Nirvana. The article focuses too much on his violent past and not enough on his final destination. Dhammapal 07:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
This article is biased against Angulimala. According to the reverted article link below, the Buddha said “his evil deeds have been overwhelmed by good kamma and his mind has been completely rid of all defilements." Dhammapal (talk) 01:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Causes of Angulimala’s behavior & his transformation[edit]

The article does not explain the causes of Angulimala’s behavior and his transformation, giving only one sentence: “After hearing this, Angulimala changed his ways, vowed to cease his life as a brigand and joined the Buddhist order.” Please read my reverted external link (I don’t get a pop-up only a Yahoo advertisement): Angulimala: A Story of the Power of Compassion Dhammapal 02:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

But thats the thing, it really did go down like that. While it's all well and good to call bias and such, where Buddhas teachings were concerned, he REALLY was that convincing. Remember, nobody had heard of any of this crap before. People did things like mutilate themselves in order to reach a spiritual elightenment. While the "outrunning while walking" story can't physically be true (unless he was a really crap runner or was just too far away he percieved it differently), he actually did just straight away accept the Buddha. Otherwise he would have killed him. The historicity of Angulimala points to him existing and being responsible for those deaths, then suddenly converting and stopping killing when Buddha finds him. Even if it was just Buddha sitting down with him and explaining his teachings for a few hours, Buddah really did just meet with him and suddenly change his views on killing. And thats what makes it so damn remarkable. 124.169.79.1 (talk) 16:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC) Sutter Cane

Actually, most of what you've said is false. According to legend, the Buddha was only one of many. In any case, these stories were never meant to be taken literally, but metaphorically. People forget that outlandish stories make for memorable stories, and the more outlandish, the easier it is to retell them over time, from generation to generation. Keep in mind how long it took for these stories to be written down, and you get the picture. Viriditas (talk) 10:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The article states: "A ruthless killer who is redeemed by a sincere conversion to Buddhism, he is seen as an example of the redemptive power of the Buddha's teaching and the universal human potential for spiritual progress, regardless of one's background." The only thing which I think is unequivocally incorrect with this statement is the claim of a "sincere conversion to Buddhism". There was no Buddhism at the time of the Buddha, only a Sangha after his teaching began and if that's what is meant then better to say that. If the enlightenment of Angulimala is what's meant then say that. The Buddha was very clearly recorded in the Suttas as not being interested in creating any kind of Buddhism as his legacy, only that his teaching continue for the two Sāsanas which he foresaw. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WideEyedPupil (talkcontribs) 01:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

POV tag[edit]

This concerns POV tag cleanup. Whenever an POV tag is placed, it is necessary to also post a message in the discussion section stating clearly why it is thought the article does not comply with POV guidelines, and suggestions for how to improve it. This permits discussion and consensus among editors. From WP tag policy: Drive-by tagging is strongly discouraged. The editor who adds the tag must address the issues on the talk page, pointing to specific issues that are actionable within the content policies, namely Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Simply being of the opinion that a page is not neutral is not sufficient to justify the addition of the tag. Tags should be added as a last resort. Better yet, edit the topic yourself with the improvements. This statement is not a judgement of content, it is only a cleanup of frivolously and/or arbitrarily placed tags. No discussion, no tag.Jjdon (talk) 20:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Paul the Apostle[edit]

Nuff said. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 23:13, 29 January 2012 (UTC)