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Groundless accusations of COI[edit]

If this edit summary is talking about me, you need to be more careful about slinging baseless accusations around. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:09, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Tangential request[edit]

Re. the JHunterJ note on ANI, and specifically characterizing a redirect I made: This was a blatant run-around the AfD close, and an obvious attempt to enforce his lone "delete"; - This is a tangent to your main point, but I don't appreciate the editorializing/hyopthesizing. I don't remember my rationale for the edit, but probably I'd completely forgotten about the previous AfD. Many of the my edits the last 4-5 years are planting redirects atop in-universe concepts, and it's not unknown for me to lose sight of a prior AfD. Anyway, two years is a long time to forget. My motive, lost to memory, is ultimately immaterial; I'd appreciate you excising the guesswork, which I think fails to assume good faith. Thanks! --EEMIV (talk) 22:57, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Can you explain why you redirected the article to a video game, using the rationale outlined at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC? It's pretty clear to the most uninvolved, reasonable user that regardless of the Star Trek topic, it cannot be a primary topic due to other uses of the term. Viriditas (talk) 23:01, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
No. It was, what, 4 years ago? I have no idea what I was thinking. My best guess is that I simply wasn't aware of a more appropriate dab item in place now. Even today, I couldn't tell you anything about appropriate dab target/naming conventions; other than removing multiple bluelinks, dab-ness is simply not something I maintain/jump into. --EEMIV (talk) 23:05, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Excuse me: I have spent the last two days trying to correct this error, only to get reverted by JHunterJ in every instance. If there is no reasonable basis for this redirect, why is JHunterJ implementing it? Viriditas (talk) 23:13, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't know. I'm not him. I see you've tried to garner some support at ANI, and that's all swell. All I'm saying is, I take exception to your statement that I was trying to subvert consensus by my 2011 edit; it seems unnecessarily antagonistic and does not assume good-faith. Best I can guess, again, it stems from a combination of a desire to do some general in-universe cleanup coupled with ignorance of disambiguation pages and practices in place. So, again, I'm requesting you remove or strike out the unsubstantiated inference about the motivation between what was really an innocuous edit. Thank you in advance ... or, if you're disinclined to such, can you please offer an explanation? Thanks. --EEMIV (talk) 02:11, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I really don't know what kind of changes you're looking for. The entire report is couched in my opinion. My tone could probably be piped down a bit I guess, but I'm not certain how to do that. Why don't you just edit that part of the report directly with a comment explaining how you feel. I won't mind, just indent it or offset it in some way. Viriditas (talk) 02:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done, and again thanks. I agree, the tone of your post is pretty intense. I understand the frustration of reverting and counter-reverting when you're Right, Dammit! , and that's certainly infiltrated (and I worry detracts from) what might otherwise be a clear case of trying to do some good cleanup/correction. I hope it all comes together properly. --EEMIV (talk) 03:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Ah, good job. Viriditas (talk) 03:56, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Oranges/Schro[edit]

Posting here instead of at ANI, in the hopes of cooling things down a bit. After SchroCat's post of 23:47, 26 January, it would have been preferable for you to take it up at his talk page, if you felt it needed to be discussed (though personally I might have left it alone). No matter what your intentions were in continuing to post at Oranges' page, it had the effect of escalating the situation into a brawl between you and he on the page of an absent third party. At the time of that post, there were no demands for apologies present, only a request to strike, a request which is permitted per policy and is fair assuming that Oranges' post was a good-faith misinterpretation.

I would also suggest that there are more parallels between your actions and SchroCat's than you might think. Just as you are defending Oranges, he is defending Cassianto. If the dispute has nothing to do with him, one could equally say that it has nothing to do with you; but really, anyone may express concern with someone's statements here, whether those statements are addressed to them or not - as you have done with SchroCat's statements towards Oranges. But for the moment, I really think the best way to deescalate here would be to stop posting on the issue. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 04:41, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: the difference is, I never defended the comments made by Orange. I defended her right to say them and proposed a probable explanation for her thinking and asked for the attacks to stop. I then reached out in the spirit of civility to the offended party. This was their response. Given the previous incivility from this user that Orange was responding to in the first place, compounded by the intimidation and harassment from multiple users on Orange's talk page consisting of one accusation after another, I believe my actions were sound and in good faith. The over the top, aggressive and angry response from Schro was uncalled for and unacceptable. Given the above response from Cassianto, we seem to have a larger problem with the community that needs to be addressed. Pointing these things out, requesting that editors follow the civility policy, and taking them to ANI when they don't, is not the problem, so I must disagree with your assessment. Viriditas (talk) 06:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You![edit]

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A big thank you for boldly going where no editor has gone before and really fixing up my articles! The WikiProject appreciates it. Miyagawa (talk) 18:51, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Well said[edit]

This [1] is by far one of the best and most honest posts I've ever seen on wikipedia. It's good to know that there are some decent editors around. Good job! Caden cool 23:14, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Caden. Viriditas (talk) 01:22, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Tagteam harassment[edit]

Sorry, but did you say what Sitush and Eric have done today is good? [2], [3], [4]. Rationalobserver (talk) 23:34, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

  • [5] At 04:46 January 30: Sitush weighs in at Talk:Enid Blyton#Oxford commas, and says, among other things: "There is no need to obsess over it, although I think the comma issue may be one of Rationalobserver's pet peeves as I've seen this raised by them in a recent GA review somewhere."
  • [6] At 15:51, Eric Corbett comes to my talk page, despite having banned me from his three days ago, [7], and proceded to edit war berating comments onto my page. Rationalobserver (talk) 23:37, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Rationalobserver. Take a deep breath and step back for a moment. Remember what I wrote yesterday? (link is above) Read it again. I said that your articles would probably be targeted, that you shouldn't revert, and that you should reply with kindness. So, I'm assuming you've taken a deep breath before reading this. :) Let's review: Eric Corbett left you a message on your talk page about a recent GAN. I realize the two of you have been at each other for the last week or so. But think about this for a minute. This was an incredible opportunity for you guys to patch things up and move on. He was only commenting about the article, not about you or any conflicts you've had. I realize you reverted him because of past problems on his talk page and your interaction, but remember to stay above the fray, to look for opportunities to move beyond conflict, and to avoid reverting. I know, our egos get in the way, there's a little voice saying "fight, fight, fight". That's why it's important to take a deep breath and step back. See the conflict from outside yourself. I told you yesterday that people would be targeting you and focusing on your articles. That's not against any policy. Knowing that, you have to be extra careful in your response and reaction. That's what I was talking about yesterday. So today, two editors made comments on the talk page about your GAN. I saw this coming yesterday and tried to warn you. All you have to do is briefly address their points, and stick to improving the article. AFAICT, Sitush and Corbett are trying to improve the article, and that's good, we want to focus on content, not interpersonal conflict. You might feel harassed, and you might feel like they are picking on you, but at the end of the day, they are allowed to improve articles just as much as you are. That's why I think it's to your benefit to try and patch things up. I know, I know, that little voice is telling you to fight, to hold a grudge, to be angry about what just went down. I am sorry to say that that little voice will also abandon you when you are in hot water. Don't listen to it this time. It's helpful when you're in a tight spot, such as a survival situation, where you need a fight or flight response. But you see how it interferes when it tries to speak to you in an altogether different context? Take a deep breath, take a step back, and respond when you are feeling safe, comfortable, and relaxed. There's nothing to fight about here. Just set it all aside and let it go. You'll be very surprised at what happens when you do. Viriditas (talk) 23:46, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Three days ago he banned me from his talk page, but now you think he should follow my GA reviews and force mentor me? 30 minutes ago he told you he wasn't willing to talk to me. I'm not hysterical, but I am confused. Rationalobserver (talk) 00:03, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I know all that! :) I know you're upset about it. But think about it for a moment. Of course, you don't have to let him post on your talk page, and frankly, he should have used the talk page. And he most definitely shouldn't have been edit warring on your talk page. But think about what's happening here. They are pushing your buttons in every way possible. And as a result, you are responding like a puppet. Look at what's happened: you've been edit warring on your own talk page, ignoring comments about an article, and you've become more aggressive, hostile, and even defensive. Isn't that what they want? The entire point of my comments yesterday was to give you a way to avoid this current situation. So he banned you from his talk page. There are other ways to deal with it. You could have addressed his comments with kindness and then asked, "Btw, if you banned me from your talk page, why are you posting on mine?" Remember, infinite diversity in infinite combinations. You don't have to respond in one way; you're not an actor using a script. Viriditas (talk) 00:10, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I understand now. Rationalobserver (talk) 00:15, 31 January 2015 (UTC)