Talk:Architecture of Scotland in the Industrial Revolution

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September 10, 2013Good article nomineeListed

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Reviewer: Dr. Blofeld (talk · contribs) 22:04, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Will review tomorrow.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:04, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking this on.--SabreBD (talk) 22:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My pleasure, Buenos Noches!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:12, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Lead.
  • "Architecture of Scotland in the Industrial Revolution, for the purposes of this article, includes all building in Scotland between the mid-eighteenth century and the end of the nineteenth century. " why for the purposes of the article? You mean because the Industrial revolution was over by the end of the 19th?
Its a way of saying that this is not fixed, so these dates have been selected for this article.--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • classically inspired, I think needs a hyphen between.
 Done--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure why you've linked Inveraray and New Lanark but not Aberdeen, Glasgow and Edinburgh, I'd prefer cities to have links too (you've linked Edinburgh in the first section below). Also the Inveraray link needs piping directly.
 Done Probably not linked because they are much more common terms, but it is no problem to link them all and they need to be consistent.--SabreBD (talk) 19:11, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Classical revival
  • classical building or classically-inspired building boom as in lead?
 Done its the same think, but I made it consistent.--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The gridiron plan, building forms and the architectural detailing would be copied by many smaller towns" Such as? isn't "although rendered in locally quarried materials" a bit generalized unless you have some specific towns in mind?
I accessed the source here electronically and cannot back in at the moment. It may take a while to find alternative sources.--SabreBD (talk) 20:25, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "including the king's works" Which king?
It is an office - I linked it.--SabreBD (talk) 19:11, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "spent most of all of their careers" = "spent most of their careers"
 Done--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Architect to the King -why is King capitalized here and not above? A formal title?
Yep Architect to the King is a title.--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Vernacular
  • "Contemporaries noted that cottages in the Highlands and Islands tended to be cruder" Who?
To be honest I have no idea. This is what the source says I think.--SabreBD (talk) 19:11, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • " In the early part of the period " -not clear when. In the early 1800s would be clearer
 Done--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Urban centres increasing making use of locally mined stone." tense.
 Done--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • " After a major fire in the largely wooden Aberdeen in the 1740s, the city fathers decreed that major buildings should be in the locally abundant granite, beginning a new phase in large-scale mining and leading to the "granite city", becoming a centre of a major industry in the nineteenth century, which supplied Scotland and England with faced stone, pavement slabs and pillars." -Too long for one sentence, needs a split and copyedit.
 Done--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
New towns
  • "Robert Owen's New Lanark, designed as a self-contained community, combining industry with ordered and improved living conditions, was an important milestone in the historical development of urban planning." Naturally makes me curious and I'd expect you to elaborate a bit on how this was done.
 Done--SabreBD (talk) 20:25, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • James Court is in Edinburgh too?
 Done Yes both in Edinburgh.--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Late 19th
  • "Some of the earliest evidence of a revival in Gothic architecture is from Scotland." link Gothic architecture. I'd like to see a direct citation here as it's a strong statement.
 Done Gothic revival is in a see also at the top of the section.--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "some external features of the Scots baronial style. " Such as?
It was explained in the next paragraph, but I moved it up.--SabreBD (talk) 19:11, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • ecclesiastical architecture -link
 Done--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Neoclassicism
  • Inconsistency with use of the hyphen in Neo-classicism, used in lead and section title but not in section.
 Done--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delink Edinburgh.
 Done--SabreBD (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The background info as an overview to the article is excellent, but I'm a little concerned that the article isn't detailed enough in its coverage of architectural features for such a general (and important) topic such as this. I'd expect you to elaborate more with information on the actual architecture of some of the buildings of the period rather than simply saying xxx in xx style was built in xx. I'd try to add more "case studies" of buildings of the period and describe some of their most prominent characteristics in a bit more detail in part with architectural details like you've briefly done with Gothic. How did ecclesiastical architecture change in comparison to the early period, what features were introduced etc? What about things like the development of memorials and monuments and the materials of industrial buildings etc? I'd want to know what the trend was for industrial building in the cities, iron or whatever and the size and style of buildings erected for the purposes of the industrial revolution. Article looks in good shape, hope you can try to find more on architectural features throughout before I pass this. It doesn't need a massive amount of work by any means, just to elaborate a bit on some of the buildings of the period and describe their architectural characteristics. I'll put this on hold me thinks.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:05, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Its a fair point, but it might take me few days to do this and it is limited by the sources available. As I also have to point out in all these reviews, it can be very difficult to adapt what architectural historians to planet earth as they have a habit of talking in metaphors and impressions rather than just describing the buildings, which is what would be most useful.--SabreBD (talk) 20:25, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I quite understand, I think you know what angle I'm coming from though. No rush, looks well on course to passing GA, thanks for addressing the points so far.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:56, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you could say something about how ecclesiastical architecture changed and something about the actual industrial buildings of the period I think it'll be ready to pass. I think it could still use a lot more detail, but for GA that should be fine.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:19, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK I will see what I can find.--SabreBD (talk) 08:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have added some passages on these two areas. Unfortunately I cannot find sources to say a bit more about all the individual buildings mentioned, but have attempted to provide some general descriptions where appropriate. Is this what you had in mind?--SabreBD (talk) 08:57, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay, looks fine, thanks. Ready to pass this now. Keep up the good work.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:10, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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