Talk:Biological life cycle
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- 1 K and r selection
- 2 Rename Page
- 3 Animals
- 4 Use of specialized language
- 5 life cycle of a bear
- 6 Dinoflagellates
- 7 Limits of definition of "biological life cycle"
- 8 Grammatical errors in the first paragraph
- 9 Incorrect statement in Haplodiplontic life cycle section?
- 10 Types of cycle
- 11 Interesting articles
- 12 Biont?
K and r selection
- No, K and r are population biology topis; this is cell biology (perhaps). Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 21:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
If this page were retitled 'Life cycle' it would make for tidier internal links from other pages (DMC)
- Not sure why that would be true (please explain), but as the word has more meaning than just as a biological phenomenon, it seems unwise to change it. - Marshman 02:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Hydrozoa and "worms" and many others are diplonts as typical for animals, but they differ from the standard strategy in having an asexual cloining phase. This article needs expansion in that direction. 21:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Use of specialized language
The subject of this article of is of fundamental importance in biology, and as such it is (I presume) well understood by biologists. It gives a concise overview of the subject, but does so by using language foreign to the non-specialist. It is true that dificult terminology is hyperlinked, but this does little to improve readability. I think it would be good to unpack some of the jargon within the article. This would make it more comprehensible to non-specialiststs, who I would presume are the target audience of the article. Tapatio (talk) 07:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Possibly, though it's at a perfect level for undergraduate biology students! Seriously though, I think Alternation of generations provides a pretty good summary of the basic concept of diploid and haploid life phases, and the broader idea of a life history can then be understood by comparing that with mammalian reproduction, which most people are more familiar with. You don't exactly want to be defining words like meiosis or spore in this article, right? Dewert (talk) 22:58, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
life cycle of a bear
According to Noctilucales#Characteristics - admittedly after I fixed a probable spelling mistake - these (and speculatively other dinoflagellates) also have gametic meiosis. Is the list supposed to be exhaustive? Should we add Noctoluticales to the list? Cucamber (talk) 19:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Limits of definition of "biological life cycle"
Just a note that this "life cycle" in this context only refers to passing of one generation to the next. It does NOT refer to life cycle from original conception (the "first") to extinction (the "last"). --22.214.171.124 (talk) 02:27, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Grammatical errors in the first paragraph
I see many grammatical errors in the first paragraph and some sentences are not even complete. English isn't my native language so I'm not too confident about correcting them myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:03, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Incorrect statement in Haplodiplontic life cycle section?
The Haplodiplontic life cycle section has this sentence, which appears to have been copy-pasted from the Diplontic life cycle section:
- "In the whole cycle, gametes are usually the only haploid cells, and mitosis usually occurs only in the diploid phase."
I'm not an expert on this, but this seems factually incorrect to me, since a Haplodiplontic life cycle would have a multicellular haploid phase, which would necessarily have to undergo mitosis. Could someone more knowledgeable than me correct this if I'm right? Equaaldoors (talk) 22:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Types of cycle
- about the concepts of generation, phase, individual and biont:
- generation, for geneticists (Simon, 2007 ): intervalle de temps séparant l'oeuf de l'oeuf c'est à dire l'ensemble des mitoses, et éventuellement des phases individualisées que sépare deux fécondations. [Interval between an egg and other egg, that is, the set of mitosis, and eventually the individualized phases that separates two fertilizations.]
- génération (Feldmann, 1978, cf. Simon, 2007, ): une génération, chez les végétaux, est une étape du développement d'un organisme débutant par une cellule reproductrice (spore ou zygote) et aboutissant, après une activité végétative marquée, à la production d'autres cellules reproductrices différentes ou non de celle ayant produit la génération envisagée. [A generation in plants is a developmental stage of a organism starting by a reproductive (spore or zygote) cell and ending after a marked vegetative activity, with the production or other different (or not) reproductive cells from that which produced the contemplated generation.]
- génération (Martens, 1954, cf. Simon, 2007, ): pour Martens, au contraire de J. Feldmann, cette activité végétative doit comporter des mitoses. [For Martens, unlike J. Feldmann, this vegetative activity must include mitosis.] So, it is not applicable to unicellular organisms.
- generation and phase (Smith, 1938, ): he seems to use "generation" for multi-celled phases and "phase" only for one-celled phases
- individual or biont (Svedelius, 1915, , 1931, , Díaz-González ): it seems to have a meaning alike that of generation used by Feldmann or Martens, but a generation, to be considered a biont, must be physiologically (nutritionally) independent of other generation.
- biont (Celakovsky’s, 1874, cf. Haig, 2008 )
- types of life cycle according to the "cytologic alternation of nuclear phases" - i.e., according to the nuclear phases present and to the moment when meiosis occur in a cycle, Feldmann (1952), , Feldmann (1972), , :
- haplophasic cycle: haplont organisms, only zygote is diploid, zygotic meiosis
- diplophasic cycle: diplont organisms, only gametes are haploid, gametic meiosis
- diplohaplophasic cycle: diplohaplont organisms, two vegetative phases, haploid and diploid, sporic meiosis
- Note 1: Battaglia (1985)  makes a revision of the terminology used to describe life cycles: "As early as 1875, with reference to the sex dimorphism in Juglans regia, Federico Delpino (1875) [cf. Battaglia (2009) ] proposed the terms "aplonte", "diplonte" & "triplonte" (= pleionte) whilst in the next century the same terms and very similar ones, without due attention to historical priorities and etymological exactness are universally adopted with regard to the alternation of generations: Haplophase & Diplophase in Vuillemin (1908); Dihaplophase in Bonnet (1912); Haplont, Diplont in Fischer (cf. Goeldi & Fischer, 1916); Haplont, Diplont, Diplohaplont in Hartmann (1918) ; Haplobiont, Diplobiont, Haplodiplobiont in Wettstein (1924) ; Isohaplont & Miktohaplont in Kniep (1928) ; hémiplonte & pseudohaplonte in Dangeard (1947) ; Uplont in Widder (1951) ; Polyplont in Chapmann & Chapmann (1961) , etc."
- Note 2: South (1987)  uses the terms zygotic, gametic, sporic and somatic life cycles; D'Amato (1977)  uses the terms haplontic, diplontic and diplohaplontic life cycles, Ruppert (2004)  uses the terms asexual haploid cycle, sexual haploid cycle, diploid cycle and haplodiploid cycle.
- types of life cycle according to the "morphologic alternation of generations" - i.e., according to the number of generations in a cycle, by Feldmann (1952), , Chapman (1962), , Feldmann (1972), , , Díaz-González, :
- monogenetic cycle (no morphological alternatin of generations)
- digenetic cycle
- trigenetic cycle
- Note 1: these terms are also used in zoology to indicate the number of hosts in life cycles of parasites.
- Note 2: van den Hoek et al. (1972, ) prefer the terms monophasic, diphasic and triphasic cycles.
- types of organisms according to the "alternation of individuals" - i.e., according to the number of individuals (=bionts), except males and females, in nature, according to Svedelius, 1915, , 1931, , and Díaz-González :
- haplobiont organisms (they can be either haplont, diplont or diplohaplont organisms)
- diplobiont organisms
- Battaglia E. 1985. Meiosis and mitosis: a terminological criticism. Annali di Botanica (Rome) 43: 101–140.
- Widder, F. J. 1951. Grundformen des pflanzlichen Phasenwechsels. Phyton (Horn, Austria), 3 (3-4): 252- 272.
- As almost an aside, wikipedia is surprisingly deficient, it seems, in a definition of "generation" that would be appropriate here. I've added something to Generation (disambiguation), but it is not in an ideal form. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:24, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
It's important also to keep WP:MTAU in mind: no matter what is discussed, it needs to be made understandable to people who don't know or don't care what haplophasic meiosis is. I'm an educated biologist and am familiar with zygotic and gametic meiosis, yet never heard the terms haplontic or diplontic in my life, thus their use as headers may further burden less-famililar readers. The life cycle is a very fundamental concept that needs a thorough yet comprehensible explanation. Rather than potentially overwhelm nonspecialist or non-collegiate readers, this article might better serve as an overview or introduction, with haplodiplonty etc. described in depth in their own article for those interested. Most basic information should be summarized first, leading to more complex discussion or soft redirects when it gets into the nitty gritty. Thus, largely unknown terms like sporocyst and redia should probably not be in the first paragraph of the lead.--Animalparty-- (talk) 03:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- Agree. It is also important, I think, to keep this page on life cycles reasonably free of material duplicated from alternation of generations. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:06, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Some interesting papers that may enrich the article:
- Qiu, Y.-L., A. B. Taylor, H. A. McManus. 2012. Evolution of the life cycle in land plants. Journal of Systematics and Evolution 50: 171-194.
- Note: I think that, in the legend of Figure 1, by the context, the correct would be haplophasic, instead of haplobiontic.
- Parfrey LW, Lahr DJG, Katz LA. 2008. The dynamic nature of eukaryotic genomes. Mol Biol Evol. 25:787–794.
- Oliverio AM, Katz LA. 2014. The dynamic nature of genomes across the tree of life. Genome Biol Evol. 6(3):482–488.
- Kjiin, H. Generationswechsel und Kernphasenwechsel. Naturwiss. V, 1917, p. 84 — 88.
- Coelho, S., Peters A.F., Charrier, B., Roze, D., Destombe, C., Valero, M. and Cock, J.M . (2007) Complex life cycles of multicellular eukaryotes: new approaches based on the use of model organisms. Gene, 406, 152-170
- Cocucci, A. E., Hunziker, A. T. (1994). Los ciclos biológicos en el reino vegetal. Córdoba (Argentiga): Academia Nacional de Ciencias.
Is anyone able to make a little stub page or a section in another article that defines Biont? I think that would be very helpful. (A wikipedia search at present gives the impression that the term is only used in science fiction.) Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:05, 4 October 2014 (UTC)