Talk:Birkat Hamazon

Pizza?

I never heard anyone say that it would be ok to omit Birkat Hamazon after pizza, but then again I never thought to question whether pizza was bread. In the interest of avoiding stumbling blocks, we may want to clarify this - or at least some sense of the distinction between "bread" and "bread-like." --Leifern 17:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

It is a function of the definition of what constitutes a pat haba'ah be-kisnin. The exact meaning of this halakhic term is a matter of dispute. Many authorities hold that soft bread-like dough like pizza puts it in the category of pat haba'ah be-kisnin and requires handwashing and birkat ha-mazon[1]. JFW | T@lk 18:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I have never heard this said about pizza, although I am not surprised because I have heard arguments that saying Birkat Hamazon is not required after eating bagels, probably for similar reasons. --דניאל - Dantheman531 00:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Has no basis in Halocho, unless the pizza base is made with fruit juice instead of water, in which case it is pas habo-o bekisnin.--Redaktor (talk) 12:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the fruit juice heter is extremely questionable. ypnypn (talk) 04:39, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Practice in Liberal Judaism: Jewish Renewal

The following text was added:

Some liberal branches of Judaism, especially Jewish Renewal, use entirely different texts for the blessing, often with the addition of English. Popular ones make use of the Biblical commandment to bless after eating ("ve'achalta, ve'savata, u'veratchta")...

However, this Hebrew phrase is found in the standard Orthodox and Conservative text for the Birkat Hamazon, in the paragraph that contains the second of the four blessings (al ha-aretz v'al ha-mazon). Thus, this phrase appears to be an abbreviation, not an entirely different text, although it could perhaps be embedded in a different text. I don't know what Jewish Renewal practice is and I don't have a readily-available source. If someone familiar with Jewish Renewal practice could clarify and source, it would be appreciated. Best, --Shirahadasha 23:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Here is a source that references the two alternative forms of Birkat Hamazon I wrote about - http://www.keddem.org/flyers/Shabbat_Evening_Blessings.pdf - I have no issues with rewording the paragraph to say this is an abbreviation Saul 13 Nov 2006

Occassional Recitation

Hello, revert deletion of content about moderately observant Jews reciting Birkhat on special occassions but not every meal. This is a common practice, particularly in Conservative Judaism. While we could tweak the language and use a term other than "moderately observant", mentioning this is neither false nor slanderous. --Shirahadasha 05:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

External links section

What is the problem with the current section? When there are large numbers of different points of view a large number of links may be required. Best, --Shirahadasha 13:18, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Changes

I was recently looking over this page and think it could use some re-organization. I am not sure when I will get to it - but probably in about three weeks. In an effort to head off any edit-wars I was wondering if anyone objects to the following proposed structure:\

General Info

Basic structure (3 original blessings, etc.)

History

Biblical background, 2nd temple evolution, 4th blessing, liturgical evolution

Customs and Laws

Zimmun, Holiday and Sabbath and special insertions, Sephardic / Ashkenazic differences,

When required (i.e. types of meals)

Current Practice

Denominational views and practice

This is just a begining I am sure that I will have some changes and additions, when I start working on it. My main objective is to A) wikify the entry (add citations, etc.) B) Include a fuller review of the history and development. C) re-organize the halachic data so as to be useful for a reader unfamiliar with Birkat HaMazon. I look forward to your comments.Guedalia D'Montenegro (talk) 06:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

tune

can someone add a little info about the tune that is commonly used especially to teach to kids? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-toUNxZXI8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.219.225.3 (talk) 21:12, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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Tehilas/Tehilat/Tehillas/Tehillat and HoDu

A NJ (Lakewood) publisher now prints bentchers with just the first two -- Teh.. and HoDu -- and, has two phone#s, one for orders, one for "questions" (It may not be in the spirit of WP:ADVERT to list them here, but "questions" has as the ending digits, the results for both five dozen and six dozen).

I won't feel offended if someone deletes the dozen dozen clue; it's just meant for citation/validation/verification) Pi314m (talk) 22:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)