Talk:Catholic Church

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Former good article Catholic Church was one of the Philosophy and religion good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Catechism of the Catholic Church citation template[edit]

Greetings,

I have developed a template to help quickly cite the Catechism of the Catholic Church (found here: Template:CCC), based on the citation style that has become common here at the Catholic Church article.

The template takes the paragraph number, automatically generates a link to the online English version found at <www.vatican.va>. It also automatically formats the citation using the template:cite web internally, and also can display both a single paragraph or a simple range of paragraphs. It also automatically generates a reference name based on the paragraph or range, and will assign the same footnote to citations with identical paragraphs or ranges.

At this point, I see no need to convert well formatted footnotes, but it might be useful when editing portions of the text with bare paragraph numbers, with no link or access date. I have tested the template, and have worked out most kinks, and documented a few workarounds, but I would appreciate anyone who can find the time to test it out and give me feedback. Thanks! --Zfish118 (talk) 00:17, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

For greater flexibility and reliability, as well as better consistency with other citation templates, Template:CCC must now be enclosed in "ref" tags (<ref>{{CCC|123}}</ref>). --Zfish118 (talk) 17:04, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Reference Edits[edit]

Please pardon the dozens of minor edits I did today. I attempted to standardize years worth of references, and encountered numerous minor, but difficult errors, due to incompatible templates using similar parameters, etc. Wherever possible, I attempted to perform multiple edits at once, and limit these mass edits to a specific category. --Zfish118 (talk) 17:58, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

A summary diff for before and after:Aug6-Aug7 Edits --Zfish118 (talk) 19:48, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations on your perseverance. Esoglou (talk) 19:53, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Page Name[edit]

Greetings. I believe the title of this page is misleading. It should read "Roman Catholic Church" because the Eastern Orthodox Church is also officially called the "Orthodox Catholic Church". And historically, it was Rome which separated itself away from the historically continuous Christian practices of the rest of Christendom. It is important for readers to know that the Roman Church is not the only Church simply referred to as the "Catholic Church" and it has less claim to historical continuity the Orthodoxy. Therefore, the title is both misleading and presumptive. Ri Osraige (talk) 16:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Yawn. No. Elizium23 (talk) 17:42, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
No. It's there by common consent. Plus there's a disambig notice (Catholic Church (disambiguation)) right under the title,just in case anybody has wandered into the wrong room. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Ri, it might help to take a look at the archives for this page, because the arguments against "Roman Catholic Church" are there, explained with a lot more eloquence than I ever could. Achowat (talk) 03:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Ri, I understand your position and this was discussed in depth when we were discussing the proper name of the Catholic Church. Although this is not a black and white discussion, there was a great deal of discussion and then a vote where Catholic Church was chosen as the best name for the article. You may want to go back and review the lengthy discussion. Nothing is ever in stone on Wikipedia and if you think you have valid points we did not discuss previously that may sway the majority of the readers then feel free to bring those points here for further discussion. I participated in the discussion and voted that the most correct title for this article is Catholic Church, but I am more than willing to review it again should new information be brought forward. Cheers, --StormRider 13:25, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Storm. I'm still learning how to fully utilize Wikipedia, so forgive me if I seem unawares. I'll read through the reasons given for why the community has decided to drop the word "Roman" from the title. If I have any other info to add, I'll do so. Thank you.Ri Osraige (talk) 20:00, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
If this really was decided by a vote, something we're not supposed to do here, it would be a perfect example of our systemic bias. HiLo48 (talk) 22:59, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
HiLo, I suspect you know what I meant; regardless, I misspoke. Sorry to have mislead anyone. A correct process as directed by Wikipedia was undertaken and completed. However, it is understood that no one is neutral and all are biased. Our objective is to make articles as factually neutral as possible and understand that editors and participants are biased. --StormRider 04:56, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Where would I go to read the debate? I can't find where this discussion has already taken place. Thanks.Ri Osraige (talk) 16:30, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
You can use the search bar at the top of the page to locate past discussions, dating several years back. Also see Talk:Catholic Church/Name, where you will find several past discussions from 2006 and the decision not to change this article's title. There have arguments on both sides, but every time the consensus has been to retain the current title of the article. -- HazhkTalk 17:45, 8 September 2014 (UTC)