Talk:Chinese Dream

Socialism?

Are there any sources that directly link the Chinese Dream with socialism with Chinese characteristics? This sounds like WP:Original Research. It's also problematic for a few other reasons:

1. Journalists have used the term prior to Xi, and none of them mention socialism. Some have brought up sustainable development, others have mentioned democracy, but rarely socialism.
2. Xi has never said that socialism with Chinese characteristics is a main focus of the Chinese Dream. He has described a stronger military, greater prosperity, and occasionally even constitutionalism, while socialism remains on the sidelines.
3. According to news reports, socialism hasn't been a major demand by the Chinese people. Instead, the focus is on the environment, free speech, inequality, and the economy.--Beijingdemocracy (talk) 05:42, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

See the sources... Secondly, while the term may have come from others, it doesn't mean that Xi uses it in the same way... Thirdly ,as said before, everything in China is linked to the party's socialist ideology... here are some quotes from Qiushi (the Communist Party's official ideological newspaper) (the quotes comes from a reference used in the article): --TIAYN (talk) 11:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

The Party’s 18th Congress put forward eight fundamental requirements that we must persist in to seize the victory of Socialism with Chinese characteristics, they are: persist in the dominant role of the people, persist in liberating and developing social productive forces, persist in moving reform and opening up forward, persist in safeguarding social justice and fairness, persist in marching the path of common prosperity, persist in stimulating social harmony, persist in peaceful development, and persist in the leadership of the Party. These eight fundamental requirements are the most essential things of Socialism. The Chinese Dream truly is the reflection of the essence of Socialism with Chinese characteristics.

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Socialism with Chinese characteristics is the undertaking of hundreds of millions of people themselves, the Chinese Dream, in the end, is the dream of the people. The Chinese Dream relies on the people, the Chinese Dream is for the sake of the people, the people are the subjects of the Chinese Dream. Socialism ensures that everyone jointly enjoys the opportunity for a splendid human life, jointly enjoys the opportunity to see dreams become reality, and jointly enjoys the opportunity to grow and progress together with the motherland and the times. The country doing well and the nation doing well, is for the sake of everyone doing well.

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Common prosperity is the fundamental principle of Socialism with Chinese characteristics, and is the most important foundation supporting the Chinese Dream. Poverty is not Socialism, the polarization between rich and poor is also not Socialism, only common prosperity is the essential characteristic and fundamental value objective of Socialism, and is a symbolic content of the Chinese Dream. Realizing the Chinese Dream requires that we persist in and perfect the basic Socialist economic system and distribution system, adjust the distribution structure of citizens’ income, strive to resolve the issue of a relatively large income disparity, and ensure that development results are extended to the whole body of the people more and more fairly, to make steady progress towards common prosperity.

Why isn't the public reaction notable?

"Party propagandists impose 'China Dream' on skeptical public."

Is it that the Chinese people have no rights so whatever they feel about anything matters not? Hcobb (talk) 20:26, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Because its biased and can't be proven... Its a dictatorship, you can't prove anything... And if you havn't notice, people write about this subject all the time, many saying people just pretend to be communists, other stating people are actually genuinely communist.. We don't know?? Why? china is a dictatorship, we don't know crap about social opinion (we didn't even know about social opinion in Egypt before the Egyptian revolution....) see for instance.. people write a lot crap about social opinion in China, and none of them are more true then the others. --TIAYN (talk) 20:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Thomas Friedman

I am still extremely skeptical about the way the article depicts Thomas Friedman. It seems like this Wikipedia article and The Economist believes that Friedman had an outsized role in popularizing the concept in China, but I highly doubt that's where Xi Jinping gets his inspiration from. The term as a political catchphrase began in earnest with Xi Jinping's 'inaugural speech' after the 18th Party Congress. It has not been well established that Xi's version of the "Chinese Dream" is at all related to Thomas Friedman's... Colipon+(Talk) 14:51, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, see my remark below about WP:OR. --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 12:01, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

China Dream of Chinese Dream?

The article is called Chinese Dream, but the first line describes the China Dream. Which of those two is the correct term? I am guessing that the original mandarin or kantonese term might not make a difference, but even then a clarification would be helpful. Asdir (talk) 11:49, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Research and words

Part of this article IMHO falls prey to the temptation of WP:original research, as it presents publications from outside China and before the said philosophy was coined as if they were part of this philosophy. Just overlapping on the term 'chinese dream' in the title does not mean that the same message is included. As a little remark in this direction I changed the title of one chapter, which was IMO especially misleading. Further arguments, based on publications of the CPC rather than on outside sources, will be neccessary to understand what the term means in the eyes of its authors - who are in the CPC. --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 11:55, 28 March 2017 (UTC)