Talk:Gecko (software)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Computer graphics (Rated C-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Computer graphics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of computer graphics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Computing / Software (Rated C-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Computing, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of computers, computing, and information technology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Software (marked as Mid-importance).
 
WikiProject Internet (Rated C-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Internet, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the internet on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Free Software / Software / Computing  (Rated C-class, High-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Free Software, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of free software on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 High  This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Software.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Computing.
 
WikiProject Mozilla (Rated C-class, Top-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Mozilla, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Mozilla and its products on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Top  This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.
 

SecurityFocus cite[edit]

On 01 Nov 2004, this article was cited in a SecurityFocus article on phishing. Securiger 06:50, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Format of the page title[edit]

Shouldn't this page be called Gecko (layout engine) to match the related pages Trident (layout engine), Tasman (layout engine), and Presto (layout engine)? -Rjo 09:23, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

It probably should. I'll do that now. αγδεε(τ) 23:20, 2004 Nov 25 (UTC)

Gecko Mozilla rendering engine[edit]

The content in this page, while tentatively accurate, is misleading. The fact is that "Gecko" is not the official name, but Netscape's branded name. "Gecko" is used to describe Mozilla's NGLayout and XPFE. Please see http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/gecko.html

I will eventually get around to trying to correct this (unless someone else volunteers :-)?).

That link is to a press release from seven years ago. For the past five years I've been using Mozilla browsers, Mozilla developers have called the layout engine "Gecko." I can come up with plenty of recent references if you can't find them yourself. -- Schapel 05:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

they use that because they are used to it but it's not the name of the layout engine anymore, unless they change the name at their site and here's a quote of the name in that page "New Layout (Gecko) The goal of the New Layout project is to create a fast, small, standards-based layout engine designed for performance and portability." and gecko is in those parentheses show that it was called that way before and not now.

The website is simply not updated well enough. The commonly used name is indeed Gecko. --asqueella 18:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/faq.html#What%20is might be useful. — Ian Moody (talk) 13:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

PDF on Linux only[edit]

According to Stuart Parmenter, it's likely PDF export will be available on Linux only (cf. http://www.pavlov.net/blog/archives/2006/01/mozilla_cairo_u.html#comment-381). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.159.119.11 (talkcontribs) 02:54, August 19, 2006.

There is no longer any impediment to using cairo for PDF export on all platforms. The dependency on FreeType for generating PDF files was removed in cairo 1.2.2 released August 8, 2006 http://www.cairographics.org/news/cairo-1.2.2.

Main Image[edit]

Wouldn't it make more sense for the main article image to be of Firefox not Epiphany, I'm an Epiphany user myself but I would of thought that it would be more logical for the main article image to be of the most popular gecko engine browser with epiphany/[insert other browser here] being examples of other browsers using it. gord

External link[edit]

I'm not sure why was this link [1] added to this page. There are tens of thousands of pages related to mozilla, doesn't mean we should list all of them in the article. Can someone enlighten me? --asqueella 01:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Link to commercial app in "Other apps" section[edit]

I'm the product manager for Accept 360, one of the few (we believe) commercial apps that is implemented using the Gecko engine. I put a link to Accept 360 in this article (in the Other Applications" section) about a year ago, but it was removed in October 2006, without any comment. My thought was that the existence of a commercial application using XUL was relevant. On the other hand, I have a personal stake in the product. What's the consensus of this page's stakeholders on the appropriateness of my adding the link back?

Thanks!

Nils Davis 19:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Table for Versions[edit]

It would be very useful to add a table what version is used in which browser (only main browsers) with major changes... (gecko1.0/1.8/1.9 etc. and what i missed)

i was surfing the wiki of the comparrision of layout_engines and saw in these tables that there are support for different standards for different version of geckos and had no comparrision for gecko! 79.211.233.83 16:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I proposed something similar in Moz Application Suite, "Section - A collective name for all Mozilla-based browsers":
I was just wondering if a comprehensive table of version numbers of all related browsers might be drawn up? Looking at the release history in the SeaMonkey article, there are columns that tell you which branch version each version is built from (for example, SeaMonkey v 1.1.5 comes from rv 1.8.1). I think that if we had something which listed Firefox, Netscape, SeaMonkey, Camino, Flock, K-Meleon, Galeon, Epiphany etc, all together, then this might help people to know which product has the latest additions to the layout engine, security, etc (considering that release dates do not always indicate this) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.232.19.118 (talk) 17:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

How is popularity measured?[edit]

According to the article gecko is the second most popular engine -- I assume popularity is measured by how many users a given rendering engine has. Given the complexities of measuring this kind of popularity and it's uncertainties, and the fact that the majority of users doesn't actively choose a rendering engine, but rather chooses a user interface, when an active choice is made, I propose that the notion is either removed, clarified or changed so that the number of software projects (where a choice regarding the rendering engine is made), is more important than the number of users. FrederikHertzum 17:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Why not simply change the wording from "second most popular" to "second most used"? The new wording completely clarifies the intended meaning. That fact is not disputed at all, and is very important because most web developers need to test with the most popular layout engines because there are too many browsers to test against. -- Schapel 17:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Update needed[edit]

The 1.9 section really needs to be updated. It only has ultra-preliminary speculation in it, we know more sure things about Gecko 2.0 than what the article lists for 1.9! --NetRolller 3D 21:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

logout image[edit]

Current image is including a user name from Wikipedia. Can someone take a screenshot without a user logging-in?--OsamaK 17:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Dead Link[edit]

The link has died for the Gecko homepage. 142.177.88.140 (talk) 16:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Mozilla 2?[edit]

Can anyone contribute anything to the Mozilla 2 section. Any major differences would be great to note. --71.170.132.183 (talk) 23:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Mozilla Suite[edit]

Should mozilla suite add to the table? Matthew_hk tc 01:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

epiphany[edit]

epiphany has changed to webkit

[2]

90.237.186.221 (talk) 17:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

FF 3.7[edit]

Just to make it clear: I think it is silly to include alphas, betas or anything pre-relase in this table. Beltzner stated today, that there'll be no 3.7 release (e.g. first slide here). --Berntie (talk) 22:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

There is not planned to be a final release of Firefox 3.7, but there are four alpha builds. Why not include them? What if someone wants to look up which Gecko version the newest Firefox is using? Perhaps it's not a useful piece of information to you, but surely others find it useful. -- Schapel (talk) 22:52, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
So, what if someone comes across the article, thinks "Cool, FF 3.7 uses Gecko 1.9.3", goes looking for it, and... just doesn't find anything? Just putting that version number in a table without any additional clarification is heavily misleading. I mean, there will be FF 3.6.4 (and we don't know what Gecko version that will be using) but 3.7 just doesn't exist. Mozilla dumped it, it never saw light. Regardless of any alphas out there.
But a reader will assume that there is/was a version 3.7, when he gets that number presented in the table. I can't imagine that being helpful. --Berntie (talk) 23:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Since you've re-inserted 3.7 I've added a footnote for clarification. --Berntie (talk) 11:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
There was a 3.7 version and there is a 3.7 version. I am running it right now. Please do not remove correct and useful information from Wikipedia. Thank you. -- Schapel (talk) 14:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, there was never a 3.7 release and there will never be. Correct me, but Wikipedia should be an encyclopedia for the average reader, not software developers. Thus
  • just putting that version number in a table without clarification is fucking around with the reader, because it simply misleads him into thinking that there is a 3.7 release
  • it would be silly to talk about nightly builds/alpha versions/release candidates of officially dropped software versions
I can, however, agree about the footnote in its current form. --Berntie (talk) 15:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
There is a 3.7 release. It even appears in web stats such as NetApplications. It was not dropped -- it will only be renamed. Additionally, there is clarification in the table -- I fixed the stoopid clarification you added with the correct information. -- Schapel (talk) 15:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
"There is a 3.7 release." Yeah, sure. "Additionally, there is clarification in the table" Well, yes. Why do you think did I write "I can, however, agree about the footnote in its current form."
"stoopid" Hmmm, that's an interesting term. :-) --Berntie (talk) 16:58, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

additional column to table[edit]

can somebody help me with the table to add a new column what was in the release of gecko version X.XXX? want to create it similar to Presto (layout engine). mabdul 18:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I would be willing to help, but I think it would make sense to create a new table with Gecko version, release date, code name, equivalent Mozilla Application Suite or Firefox release, notable new features, etc. -- Schapel (talk) 15:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
mmh, that does make sense. I will set up uch a table ;) mabdul 20:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
started to prepare that table. everybody is included to help now ;) mabdul 13:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I have filled in the rows for early Mozilla releases that were not listed. Release notes for the versions are available at http://www-archive.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla<version>/: [3], [4], [5], etc. -- Schapel (talk) 13:58, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

THX. will help you... On Friday I will have enough free time ;) mabdul 15:32, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Flock never used past Gecko 1.9.0[edit]

In March I noticed an error in the browser Gecko usage grid for Flock and corrected it. In May someone else undid it. Don't assume; actually check.

I just downloaded two old versions of Flock into a Window XP VM from: http://www.filehippo.com/download_flock/

Check the "about:" pages and their user agent strings:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.16) Gecko/2010010414 Firefox/3.0.16 Flock/2.5.6
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.19) Gecko/2010062819 Firefox/3.0.19 Flock/2.6.1

Flock 2.0.x, 2.5.x, and even 2.6.x all use versions of Gecko 1.9.0.x. They never upgraded past Gecko 1.9.0. All Flock 2.x is equivalent to Firefox 3.0.x in terms of Gecko. They did not keep up with Firefox development.

Newer Flock versions are of course no longer Gecko based at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.185.84 (talk) 20:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

You should put in a citation instead of doing original research and expecting others too also. -- Schapel (talk) 21:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Cite what? If I knew of a better place to cite I would've done so here. There are no citations for the source of any versions in this table. It's a list of browser versions and their Gecko versions. The only thing to cite is the browsers' about pages. The main Flock page is out of date too (but I'm not going to update that). I just wanted to re-correct the list so that when other extension developers come looking to see what's available where it's not wrong. The difference between 1.9.0 and 1.9.1 is large enough to decide whether to drop support or not, so it should be listed correctly. Of course it's all irrelevant now that Flock isn't even Gecko based at all anymore, but it nonetheless annoyed me that someone else (without citation or discussion) reverted my prior correction. ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.185.84 (talk) 05:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I just did a Google search for Flock 1.0 Gecko 1.8.1 and found some pages you could cite. If you don't provide a citation, don't be surprised if you come back to find someone has "corrected" the information again. -- Schapel (talk) 16:49, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I said nothing about Flock 1.0... not sure why you're talking about that. The best I can find is the release notes for Flock 2.5 which implies they're still on Gecko 1.9.0 by saying they "Incorporated Mozilla's 3.0.10 patch for Firefox". This is about as good as you're going to get, and it doesn't belong cited in the table unless you also do so for every other version listed, none of which have any citations. Sorry to break it to you, the only way these things are added is by people actually looking in the about dialogs. There's no point in adding one citation for a now dead browser, seeing as they remade the new Flock based on Chromium.

Sometimes the only thing you can do is actually look at the information, and whomever changed it to the wrong one just didn't bother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.185.84 (talk) 21:08, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

8.0a1 is new preview release[edit]

Well, I think it's update time, no? :)-andy 217.50.49.10 (talk) 08:16, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

The table for Firefox needs to be updated[edit]

Firefox Release is now version 23. The table needs to be updated. I would do it, but Wikipedia does not like anybody with a close connection to the topic to edit an article. I am a Mozilla Beta Tester.

DevynCJohnson (talk) 21:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Update needed to market share information[edit]

Some information on this page is incorrect. Specifically, the following section:

"Gecko is the third most-common layout engine on the World Wide Web, after Trident (used by Internet Explorer for Windows since version 4) and WebKit (used by Safari and Google Chrome).[6][7]"

Google Chrome no longer uses WebKit, they recently forked WebKit and created a new open source project called Blink (which is the rendering engine now used in Chrome).

Gecko may now be the fourth most common layout engine (after Trident, Webkit and Blink).

Jacobg415 (talk) 18:32, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Out of date compiler info? And useless table..[edit]

"On Windows and similar platforms, Gecko depends on non-free compilers. Thus, FOSS distributions of Linux can not include the Gecko package used in the Windows compatibility layer Wine.[32]"

Not sure about the non-free compilers? Not true any more? Gecko is the browser component in Wine now? Doesn't that make the rest false? And the ref (and all under this section) don't match the refereneces. Seems to be because of the table. BTW. I've been adding to the table but think I will stop. It seems (mostly) useless (now). Cut it out entirely? Or say "version history up to X" where X is probably 1.9.2. Other projects used Gecko, but not so much anymore. SeaMonkey is "kind of" Firefox and PaleMoon more so (table not updated), but mostly they are based on Firefox in general and Gecko is not a separate project (with an indepented version number) anymore? comp.arch (talk) 11:22, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

It IS software but ALSO a layout engine[edit]

From their page: "Gecko is the name of the layout engine developed by the Mozilla Project". Why change title? "Web (layout?) engine" could also be true. Is it something more? "Software" could be anything. Not saying I disagree, just not sure why. comp.arch (talk) 13:03, 24 March 2014 (UTC)