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Name?[edit]

I've lived on the B Line for years and never heard anyone ever refer to it as the "B Branch". Always the "B Line" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.80.65.231 (talk) 23:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MBTA officially calls the line the B Branch, so that's what Wikipedia uses. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:30, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Over on Talk:B-Line (Hamilton)#Bad article name? we discussed similar names, and, after looking at the disambiguation page B Line#Transportation I suggested there that this article should be renamed something like Green Line (MBTA), "B" Branch. Geo Swan (talk) 19:55, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The MBTA is the only system that uses letter designations for branches of its 'Green Line'. Frankly this is a case of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it.' Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:30, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pink highlighting in "Station listing" table[edit]

Selected stations are highlighted in pink, without any explanation of its significance to the Green Line. I would guess that this encoding indicates stations that are still served by regular B branch service. Perhaps this should be indicated in a less-obscure fashion, which is also more accessible to vision-impaired readers. Reify-tech (talk) 21:24, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps italics for stations not in regular service, or a separate column to flag this? Reify-tech (talk) 21:46, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 May 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 20:50, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

– Case fix for B and remove quote marks from all, of these branches that the MBTA calls "Green Line B", etc. Branch is commonly enough lowercase in sources, and quote marks are rare. Dicklyon (talk) 00:31, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note that even the MBTA.com site frequently uses lowercase branch for Green Line branches; and no quote marks. Sometimes they omit the word "branch" as extraneous, as in "Green Line C service changes".
Read it already, read it again, it fits rather nicely. Almost automatic, knee-jerk edits that sacrifice quality in the pursuit of speed or quantity.. Qwirkle (talk) 07:30, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Rm. extraneous punctuation per MOS:QUOTEMARKS, MOS:WAW, MOS:ABBR, MOS:PN (none of which sanction using quotation marks to bracket alphanumeric designations in this manner), and per WP:CONCISE (avoid adding extraneous things to article titles). Use WP:CONSISTENT lower-case "branch", per MOS:CAPS, WP:NCCAPS, and numerous previous RMs on "branch", "line", "station", etc. I can see keeping "Line" capitalized here, as "Green Line" is a proper-name designation, not a descriptive appellation (the tracks themselves are not green, nor is this a line to/from a place named Green).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
”Green Line” could very well be a proper name even if more of the equipage were green, and it ended up in a clover field. Many proper names are also parseable as simple descriptives. White House, Battery Park, Central Park.....the list goes on almost endlessly. Qwirkle (talk) 07:37, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support After searching google, Green Line appears to meet MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS for capitalisation. Remove quotemarks per SMcC. Also, it is not generally used in sources. As to what (if anything) follows the branch letters, there is significant variability observed and not the consistency necessary to warrant capitalisation of "branch". Regards, Cinderella157 (talk) 02:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove the quotation marks, keep the capital Branch. The capitalization of 'Green Line D Branch' etc as a proper name was the style used until undiscussed moves two weeks ago, and there is ample evidence that the full names are proper names. 'X Branch' is the style most consistently used by the MBTA (project page, project page, service alerts), most local news sources (Herald, WCVB, NBC, WHDH), and the Boston Street Railway Association (the major publisher of historical documentation about the MBTA). Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:36, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    A few examples don't serve to convince that branch is "consistently" capitalized in sources, which is the threshold for caps per WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS. There are plenty of news examples with lowercase, e.g. Boston Globe, WBUR, Berkeley Beacon, KFI, WHDH, etc. Caps are thus clearly optional, so WP policy is to use lowercase. Dicklyon (talk) 22:33, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A student newspaper. Jaysus. Qwirkle (talk) 01:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove quotations, but keep capital Branch per sources and explanation provided by Pi.1415926535. Grk1011 (talk) 13:41, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove quotes, keep capital "Branch". And yes, that's a keep because it is restoration of the long-standing title element before the undiscussed moves from a couple of weeks ago. Oh, and, and note the same three lock-step votes by the nom, Tony1 and SMcCandish, as always. Calling it meatpuppetry at this point is just calling a spade a spade. oknazevad (talk) 18:36, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As long as it isn’t a bloody shovel... Qwirkle (talk) 19:12, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is pretty amazing how few Wikipedians are willing to look at the evidence and at the guidelines and push to act accordingly. Sometimes not enough to overcome the local fan groups like these Boston railfans who would rather ignore data and guidelines and just cap the things they like capped. Some, like Qwirkle and Oknazevad, don't even pretend to give a reason for their opposition, and just attack the proponents instead. These votes should be ignored. Dicklyon (talk) 00:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nonsense. Anyone who doubts the bot-like nature of your edits need only look at your contributions Qwirkle (talk) 02:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I do try to be efficient. It has taken weeks to move the hundreds of North Korean station articles from uppercase Station to lowercase station, and I got pretty good at doing about 2 per minute. Bot-like in that sense, perhaps. Still, that's about me, not about the question at hand. Dicklyon (talk) 03:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The usage proposed by the nominator reflects what is used by reliable sources. That includes both of Boston's major newspapers [1] [2], news magazines [3] [4], and other sources [5] [6] [7] [8]. The state itself even uses the proposed title [9] [10][11]. Calidum 17:45, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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