Talk:Incredibles 2

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Plot Mistake[edit]

How come At the end of The Incredibles, When the Underminer shows up, The Parr family don their masks but are still in their civilian clothes (minus Jack-Jack), though Bob is about to take off his shirt. But At the beginning of Incredibles 2, In the flashback from Tony Rydinger's point of view, soon as The Underminer appears, they appear in their super suits and Jack-Jack is in his stroller, Also the underminer leaves out these quotes"I hereby declare that war on peace and happiness" From the end of the first movie and "soon all will tremble before me". How were able to change into thier super suits and get Jack-Jack's stroller so fast, despite being in thier normal clothes and there was no stroller in the scene at the end of the first one, was it a mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.153.239.226 (talk) 03:34, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This documentary was edited for time. 205.142.232.18 (talk) 19:07, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Plot[edit]

I rewrote the plot summary, but was reverted. I believe the current example contains unnecessary words and detail. Examples:

  • Three months after defeating Syndrome Syndrome has nothing to do with the plot of this film.
  • Bob offers to look after the kids while Helen is away. Bob struggles with his new role as a stay-at-home parent We explain here that Bob becomes a stay-at-home dad twice.
  • Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack escape with the help of the Incredi-bile, a high-tech car once owned by Bob during his time as Mr. Incredible, The history of the Incredible isn't important for a plot summary. We only need to say it's the Incredibles' high-tech car.
  • Jack-Jack begins to display his various superpowers in an uncontrollable manner - wordy. "Jack-Jack wreaks havoc with his burgeoning superpowers" is more concise.
  • his luxury hydrofoil ship the Everjust - the name of the ship is not important.
  • they manage to slow... - this "manage to" is unnecessary: "they slow..." is sufficient.

Check out Wikipedia:How_to_streamline_a_plot_summary for more explanations and examples of my approach. Popcornduff (talk) 05:09, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The current plot is just fine as it is. It has the right amount of detail without being too much. Your version is grossly bare bones for a 2-hour animated movie.TucLen (talk) 16:47, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
For example? Popcornduff (talk) 17:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Compare the plot summary you're trying to make with the plot summary from the first Incredibles (or you know, other Pixar movies in general?). This is not an episode from a tv show, it's a 2-hour movie with a significantly elaborate story. It requires sufficient length and attention to detail, and how it's currently worded it's perfectly fine.TucLen (talk) 17:54, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Can you give examples of elements you consider necessary that I removed, and why you think they're necessary? Popcornduff (talk) 03:59, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
* The superhero Parr family, also known as the Incredibles, prevent the Underminer from destroying City Hall The opening sequence involving the Underminer is pretty damn relevant as it kickstarts the whole plot. You don't even mention the fact the Underminer robs the bank and escapes (which again, is an important fact in the plot as they are some of the key reasons the government shuts down the Super program) and you make no mention of Rick Dicker being unable to help the Parrs, which is also relevant.
* Meanwhile, Elastigirl captures the Screenslaver, a supervillain who projects hypnotic images using television screens; she unmasks him as a deliveryman with no memory of his actions. Elastgirl doesn't just "capture" the Screenslaver, the train and helicopter sequences are significant set pieces in the film.
* Elastigirl realizes the Screenslaver was being mind-controlled by screens within a pair of goggles. Again, Elastigirl doesn't just "realize it". She investigates it first.
* To Bob's disappointment, they choose Elastigirl to spearhead the stunt, as she causes less damage. "citing insurance purposes as his rationale" just sounds better.
* Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack escape in the Incredibile, Mr Incredible's high-tech car That is misleading, as you make it sound as if Bob never stopped owning the car.
Sorry, but your plot is too brief, too shallow, and too simplistic. I vehemently disagree with your stance and approach and I'm not going to just let you eviscerate the synopsis. I'm putting my foot down on this matter, and if that means we're going to have an edit war, then so be it. TucLen (talk) 04:53, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not interested in edit-warring - that's why I started this discussion.
  • The opening sequence involving the Underminer is pretty damn relevant as it kickstarts the whole plot. Yes, but the actual events of the fight are less important - what actually kickstarts the plot is the fact that the government disapproves of the fight and shuts down the superhero program.
I feel this also covers Dicker being unable to help them - he has no impact on the plot beyond erasing Tony's memory. I could live with an extra sentence explaining that without him they have no financial assistance, as that's partly why they end up with the new home.
  • "citing insurance purposes as his rationale" just sounds better This isn't an argument - see WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. My objection to the current phrasing is that it's unclear. To the reader who hasn't seen the film it's not obvious what "insurance purposes" these might be. If we just say it's because she causes less damage, it's not only shorter, but easy to understand.
  • Again, Elastigirl doesn't just "realize it". She investigates it first. But this investigation amounts to a single brief scene where she looks at some footage and thinks out loud for a moment, leading to her realization. The process of her "investigation" isn't a meaningful part of the plot.
  • the train and helicopter sequences are significant set pieces in the film. They're action setpieces that don't need to be addressed at length in a plot summary. But I'm confused by your point as your version doesn't mention the helicopter or train anyway. Popcornduff (talk) 05:11, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have taken note of your points and have trimmed down some of the plot, but I will fight to keep the detail in, so I hope we can compromise. Also, one big mistake that seems flew over your head in your plot summary:
  • However, the government, concerned by the collateral damage, makes superheroes illegal. Superheroes were already illegal, the fight with the Underminer prompts the government to shut down the relocation program, not make supers illegal again since they already were. How did you miss that? TucLen (talk) 05:47, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is your objection to writing "the superhero Parr family"? We need to explain that they are superheroes, rather than leaving the reader to figure that out. This is about a superhero family. That is the premise of the film. Popcornduff (talk) 06:08, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's simply not gramatically correct. Jesus christ. TucLen (talk) 06:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it is. Popcornduff (talk) 06:19, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Googling the term "superhero Parr family" produces lots of results from published sources, such as the Boston globe. If that doesn't convince, in any case I've added a slightly wordier compromise. Popcornduff (talk) 06:35, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Acclaimed[edit]

Nothing in article states that the film was critically acclaimed. There is no reference that explicitly states that it was and it should be more than one to make that claim. An unsourced assertion that is was acclaimed is both WP:PUFFERY and and an WP:NOR editor personal opinion that does not belong in the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:53, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sequel or direct sequel?[edit]

Could this film be considered a direct sequel to its predecessor and marked as such on the page? It takes place directly after the ending of the first film. Wasabi OS (talk) 17:49, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A sequel is by default a direct sequel. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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