Talk:Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip (2023–present)

Edit Request - misinformation - impersonations - nurse video

I'd like someone to add that the nurse video was originally posted on the israeli government foreign ministry's arabic twitter account https://www.thedailybeast.com/israels-comically-bad-disinfo-proves-theyre-losing-pr-war and that it seems like it was boosted by Edward Haïm Cohen Halala, who has reported ties to the israeli government, who apparently has a popular social media presence with an Arabic following. https://misbar.com/en/editorial/2023/08/18/how-does-edy-cohen-stir-up-controversy-and-mislead-the-arab-public-opinion https://www.newsweek.com/israeli-influencer-denies-playing-gaza-nurse-viral-video-1844715 I'm not sure how much of a reliable source misbar is but the newsweek article supports that it was his account that boosted the video.  I'm not as familiar with social media as I could be, it would be good if somebody with a good background in social media forensics were to have input on this. Fanccr (talk) 07:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 09:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

>>Please change nothing at the end of the second paragraph in impersonations section of the misinformation section of the article to: "The video was originally posted on the israeli government foreign ministry's Arabic twitter account and it seems like it was boosted by Edward Haïm Cohen Halala, who has reported ties to the israeli government, who has a popular social media presence with an Arabic following." using the three sources, daily beast for the foreign ministrys account being the source, newsweek for Edy Cohen boosting it and misbar for Edy Cohen having ties to the israeli government.Fanccr (talk) 10:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request - ROB

https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2024/05/04/dans-gaza-en-ruines-une-serie-de-casses-spectaculaires-dans-des-banques_6231479_3210.html Militants robbed banks

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 09:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I ask to add it at the right part

I dont offer to change 2.55.17.164 (talk) 10:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Israeli armored vehicles destroyed

According to the IDF, 38 Israeli armored Vehicles that had active protection system were damaged and needed repairs, and 2 armored vehicles were totally destroyed. https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/bkwdivbga?utm_source=ynet.app.android&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=general_share&utm_term=bkwdivbga&utm_content=Header 2A13:54C1:F000:867B:2504:3F35:92EB:E46 (talk) 15:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Referencing

Is it normal for Al Jazeera to be a main source? 48JCL 19:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes. See WP:ALJAZEERA. — kashmīrī ^TALK 00:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Got it, I knew it was reliable but I was just questioning the input. 48JCL 00:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit request - Euro-Med casualties figure

The referenced tweet to the number of casualties by the Euro-Med organization includes an infographic titled "Statistics on the Israeli Genocide in the Gaza Strip" which indirectly shows that only 3,889 Palestinian combatants have been killed. The real number is clearly much higher and this source clearly shows imaginated numbers to inflate the civilian casualties count and push the "genocide" narrative. 2A0D:6FC7:526:A2F:E5E1:9BE9:B4F1:F3C9 (talk) 23:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done, please reword as "change X to Y", providing a reliable source. — kashmīrī ^TALK 18:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

DATA TO ADD

On May 8, the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs published data showing that the number of identified deaths in the Gaza Strip - as of April 30 - is 24,686, while the number published by the Gaza Ministry of Health is 34,844.

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-reported-impact-day-215

 Not done, please reword as "Change X to Y", providing a reliable source.

For information: the OCHA numbers are sourced from the Ministry of Health of Gaza according to the footnote on the infographics. — kashmīrī ^TALK 18:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 May 2024

add Hezbollah to Belligerents 98.110.81.233 (talk) 23:22, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. In particular, please provide a reliable source that states that Hezbollah is fighting Israel in Gaza. — kashmīrī ^TALK 23:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 May 2024

In the chapter on offenses there is a reference to the assessment regarding the children who perished, half. The problem is that the figures published by the UN contradict this and it is 30%. Therefore it should be removed. https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-reported-impact-day-215

 Not done for now: according to the footnote on the OCHA infographics, OCHA victim numbers are sourced from the Ministry of Health of Gaza. Please note the difference between confirmed and confirmed and identified. — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

It's also to be noted that different sources will give different statistics. No one is completely reliable. Linkin Prankster (talk) 14:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

 Comment: Unlike some mass media or Israeli-aligned NGOs, we can't proclaim "halving the number of killed" without knowing the details of the methodology used by the authorities there. We know that Palestinian authorities administer a population registry[1] – a concept not known in the US or UK. It will be safe to assume that an unidentified victim for the Palestinian authorities does not mean that the body wasn't that of a woman or of a child; it rather means that the victim could not be matched to an identity recorded in the registry. The total number of victims stays the same, as we see on the infographics, just a registry search yields much smaller numbers of ages and genders. It's likely that the remaining 10,000+ bodies will be matched to actual people, but it may require exhumations, DNA testing and, therefore, a longer perspective. — kashmīrī ^TALK 16:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip (2023–present)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: John Cummings (talk · contribs) 13:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: ElijahPepe (talk · contribs) 02:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Topic is ongoing and article does not appear to be stable with prose issues. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Add isaeli ministry of defense to casualties

one israeli civilian employee of the israel ministry of defense was killed and two wounded but not added to the casualty count 2605:B100:D20:FD72:0:3:45F:C701 (talk) 20:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2024

Please update the death totals for women and children for this article.

Original: More than 31,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since the start of the Israeli operation,[51] including more than 13,000 children and 9,000 women.[52] with another 7,000 people missing and presumed dead under the rubble of destroyed buildings.[53][54]

New: More than 35,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since the start of the Israeli operation, including more than 7,800 children and 4,900 women, with another 10,000 people missing and presumed dead under the rubble of destroyed buildings.

Additional context:

The original information is incorrect. The UN changed its reporting to source these numbers to Gaza Ministry of Health statistics instead of the Gaza Government Media Office's (GMO's) numbers between May 6 and May 8. Because the UN is ultimately the source of the original numbers and UNICEF is mis-citing the original stats, they should be changed. UNICEF cites the numbers as from Gaza Ministry of Health, but according to BBC (and other sources), those numbers are from GMO, not Ministry of Health: Bottom of pg 2,

It may be appropriate to add a section to Misinformation regarding this change, since this inherently reflects the UN's perception that the GMO numbers dramatically overstated the percentage of women and children killed since the beginning of the conflict. That is the reason for time sensitivity around this change.

Because the numbers are closer to, but below round numbers, it is potentially easier to understand as, "including close to 8,000 children and 5,000 women." Qmarkp (talk) 21:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC) Qmarkp

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2024 (2)

2A00:23C8:180B:9F00:8439:9B86:7821:5F83 (talk) 23:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Amount of Hamas fighters estimate is 20,000-25,000 fighters. US says 30%-35% killed. so ranging 7,000-8,750 kia

Data for Casualty Information

Apologies if formatting is made incorrectly. I believe it is essential that all casualty information coming from the Gaza ministry of health includes the disclaimer that the ministry is Hamas-run, and casualties include Hamas militants. Additionally, many comments related to most casualties being women and children is no longer corroborated by the UN, and this should just say 'many of the casualties are woman and children'. These changes are necessary to ensure Wikipedia maintains its political neutrality. Public Transit User (talk) 00:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Not done. This is subject of a discussion at the main article. Selfstudier (talk) 09:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 May 2024

Under the "May 15" subsection of the "Attack on Rafah" section of the article, I recommend changing "A IDF tank fired into a building housing them." to "An IDF tank fired into a building housing them." to fix grammar. Anonymous Libertarian (talk) 08:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done — kashmīrī ^TALK 14:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

The numbers of casualties quietly revised by UN on May 8..including a breakdown of only 24,686 casualties

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/05/13/un-cuts-estimates-women-children-deaths-gaza/73669560007/

In this article, the release of UN figures are re-released within two days as of May 8, 2024. Notice the very odd pattern in these numbers. 24,686 breakdown of casualties- 7,797 children, 4,959 women???? what is this a conspiracy theory? How can we take any of what the UN is saying about such arbitrary and obviously patterned numbers seriously? Especially when a lot of this has been wrangled by Guterres and his little ring of Humanitarianists who are definitely not historians, analysts, intel agents or experts of any kind. Yet they have no problem standing behind numbers issued by an organization that serves extremist causes. 2600:6C42:7400:4C00:CA8B:A529:FE62:E31B (talk) 04:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)