Talk:J. Edgar Hoover

Pornagraphy and Birth Control

this article implies that pornagraphy and birth control are a form of fraud and vice. Not the place for such opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.247.100 (talk) 13:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I got rid of the ambiguity. Glennconti (talk) 22:34, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Freemasonry source = broken link

The entire sub-section on Freemasonry requires a [citation needed] or whatnot.

96.248.112.153 (talk) 19:46, 27 October 2011 (UTC) -r.carey

J. Edgar

Did people who knew him on a first name-basis call him "J. Edgar", or Edgar, or John? Also, why did he go by "J. Edgar" rather than by his first name? Tad Lincoln (talk) 23:31, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Erratic scholarship of Wikipedia

Everything I know about the life of J. Edgar Hoover I learned watching the movie last night and 5 minutes of reading Wikipedia, and I've put in see-also links to two people who were one person who was arguably very important in Hoover's career. Yet, we have references to 15-second cutaway "Family Guy" gags. Incredible. The pop culture section must go, it's trivia and unreferenced. --Wtshymanski (talk) 16:35, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Why does this article mention Pancho Villa?

The article says: "On May 10, 1924, 10 months after the death of Pancho Villa and during the private war of Jesus Herrera ..." But the article has no further mention of Pancho Villa or Jesus Herrera, so why are they mentioned in this passage since they seem to have no relevance to the subject of the article, which is J. Edgar Hoover? It begins to look like someone who is interested in Pancho Villa and Jesus Herrera for their own sake has inserted the references here to promote those topics even though they have no relevance here. Suggest removing the clause "10 months after the death of Pancho Villa and during the private war of Jesus Herrera," — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.131.41.77 (talk) 20:05, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Nonsense

Will any of the admins delete this nonsense? The text appears in the templates for wikiProjects.--В и к и T 13:02, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Hoover's cryptic filing system

I saw a documentary a few years ago about the FBI's files on individuals. According to this, the archiving system used for these records was apparently very difficult to understand for outsiders. I was reminded of this when I saw J. Edgar earlier today. Does anyone know more about this? Since this seems to have been something that Hoover himself created or at least had great influence on, it would be very important to mention this in "Legacy".

Hoover's influence on the FBI and its historical records seems like a very important issue. Certainly worthy of far more coverage (at least in this article) than his personal affairs and sexual preferences.

Peter ^Isotalo 19:18, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Sexuality

Is the following really appropriate as the opening sentence in a detailing of a man's sexuality? 109.255.90.107 (talk) 22:48, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

   A biography by Darwin Porter claims Hoover assembled the largest collection of porn in history.

Portrayals, fair warning

The 'Portrayals' section needed streamlining and some removal of POV. It is done. In fact: I am proposing the removal of that list in favor of a FEW examples as inline text. If there is no objection I will do that with the section later.—Djathinkimacowboy 08:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

It seems like a better idea if I backpedal on this issue right away.... I have seen that significant portrayals of a figure make a nice edition to an article. Even if it is a bulleted list. However, editors please recall that the Internet Movie Database cannot be used as a citation in Wikipedia articles, so anything with imdb has to be removed or cited differently.—Djathinkimacowboy 16:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Pages wanted, not needed

User:Alarbus: In light of this why not either obtain pages or leave the tags off the text? Page numbers may be needed in your opinion, but they are not the rule at Wikipedia. A citation of that quality as I see used in the article is more than sufficient.—Djathinkimacowboy 09:40, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

*You* cowboy-up and find the page numbers if you want the little blighters off the page. You expect a reader interested in checking the source to read a whole book? If you think that's sufficient, think again. Alarbus (talk) 10:00, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I think it would be wise to find page numbers. I do not understand why this is an issue. Why are the tags being fought over? Jeez, just use Google books and clear this up. Even if there are only snippet views, those can be used artfully to get information.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:12, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I only came to this pathetic page a few days ago because it was being batted about over on Template talk:cleanup where a bunch of anti-tag editors are seeking to require reasons for cleanup tags and are champing at the bit to remove them. Then mr-lurid-sig-cowboy starts cutting the page needed tags and driving a stake in the ground about the notion that page numbers are not needed. Do check his block log. Alarbus (talk) 10:22, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Please, Alarbus, do not alter other editor's posts as you did above with mine, do not make personal attacks as you have already done, and PAGE NUMBERS ARE NOT REQUIRED. You have been warned about your conduct fairly.—Djathinkimacowboy 10:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps A. has a minor problem understanding personal attacks and edit warring - perhaps he ought to see WP:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a point.—Djathinkimacowboy 10:21, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps you don't realise that you've removed the RP tags four times in the last some hours and are easy block bait if I report it at WP:AN3. If you revert your-self. I'll not bother. Alarbus (talk) 10:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps you will have a gander at your talk page; also at the article, and see I have restored it to your previous version as you suggested. Also as you suggested, you're right, I have too much on my plate for you to need to take this to ANI or WP:AN3.—Djathinkimacowboy 16:00, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

"Nude Sunbathing"

I realize the statement about Hoover sunbathing in the nude is sourced, but I question what it has to do with his alleged homosexuality. Many people sunbathe nude, irrespective of gender or sexual orientation. Joefromrandb (talk) 01:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)