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Rape anyone?[edit]

Or is it somekind of taboo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.86.32.36 (talk) 04:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bantu?[edit]

Is Ntini Bantu? His features and his name (pronounced with a click consonant) make me think his ancestry is more Bushman. thefamouseccles 23:44, 03 Mar 2006 (UTC) Well, depends on how you look at it, Xhosas, of which he is one, are a Nguni sub-group, and Nguni's are Bantu. Now, Xhosa is the Nguni (even Bantu) language with the most clicks, followed by Zulu, and these clicks are said to have come from interactions (of the Southern Nguni's from whose then language Xhosa evolved from) with the Khoi-khoi (bushmen) languages, which are of course characterized by many clicks. As for the looks, then could also come from the above mentioned interactions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imbabazane (talk • contribs) 11:58, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

13 Wickets[edit]

"On 12 April 2005, Ntini took 13 wickets for 132 runs against the West Indies"

I don't think it's possible to take 13 wickets in one day... I'm presuming that the date of 12 April refers to the start of the test. But the exact days in which this occurred should be clarified.

Of course it is possibke to take 13 wickets in a day. If Ntini took, say, 8 wickets in the West Indies' first innings, they then followed on and he took 5 more wickets in the second innings, he would have taken 13 wickets in one day. It's quite a feat and probably quite rare, but it is possible. Mikker ^(...) 22:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First Black player for SA[edit]

No he was not. That was Paul Adams. This article is rubbish. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.237.166.156 (talk) 02:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Actually yes, he was. Paul Adams is not black, he is coloured. Furthermore, neither he nor Ntini hold the distinction of being the first non-white player for South Africa, as bi-racial Charles Llewellyn made his Test début for South Africa in 1896. So, while Paul Adams was the first non-white post-Apartheid player for South Africa, the article is quite correct in stating that Makhaya Ntini is the first black player to play for the South African team. Cenobite 16:26, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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I've added this article to WikiProject Cricket, hence the template at the top of this talk page. Please refer to the project page before editing this article, especially the style guide so that we can maintain consistency of style across cricket-related articles. Thanks. Cenobite 19:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Controversial material[edit]

I've removed unsourced, controversial material that seemed to associate his rape conviction with the fact that he's black. Cenobite 22:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the rape not even mentioned? Chengiz (talk) 01:48, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored it. Since Mr Ntini was acquitted, it may be said to have undue prominence, & perhaps could be further reduced, but it should not be completely censored. Rothorpe (talk) 18:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cricket statistics[edit]

The statistics table for cricket players on Wikipedia do not have the mention of batting strike rates & bowling strike rates & economy rates which are essential components of a cricket statistics, especially in limited overs cricket and bowling strike rates also in First class cricket. They need to be added to make the statistics more comprehensive. shahbazplanet (talk) 18:41, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:BLP issue (?)[edit]

There is no shortage of reliable sources that verify him being the first black cricketer to play for South Africa.^[1]^[2]^[3] His selection was obviously an important event due to their apartheid history. Having said that, is there any WP:BLP issue in mentioning this detail? Did he ever self-identify as Black? I guess we do need self-identification in the case of living people's details involving religion, race, sexuality, etc. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:43, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An IP user added an unsourced claim that Paul Adams is the first black cricketer to play for South Africa – see here & here. But he is coloured.^[4]^[5] So I will revert them. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Weaver, Paul (10 December 2009). "Search for successors intensifies as Makhaya Ntini reaches milestone". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 2 January 2022. As South Africa's first black Test player reaches 100 caps, the pressure is on to replace him
^ England, Andrew (24 July 2015). "Fast bowling with Makhaya Ntini". Financial Times. Archived from the original on 2 January 2022. Taking a bowling lesson from Ntini, South Africa's third-highest Test wicket-taker of all time and the first black African to play the sport at Test level for his country, ...
^ Moonda, Firdose (9 January 2011). "Ntini was more than a cricketer". ESPNcricinfo. Archived from the original on 2 January 2022. He represented something far more special, partly because he was the first black African cricketer to play for South Africa and partly because he bore the responsibility that came with that with such dignity and grace that South Africans of all colour embraced him.
^ Gemmell, Jon (2004). The Politics of South African Cricket. Routledge. p. 209. ISBN 978-0-7146-5346-4. The coloured left-arm spinner Paul Adams ...
^ Fraser, David (2005). Cricket and the Law: The Man in White is Always Right. Routledge. p. 322. ISBN 978-0-7146-5347-1. Indeed, the divide between 'white' and 'non-white' in selection criteria also hides the persistence of apartheid-era discourse in South African society and in descriptions of South African cricket. Herschelle Gibbs and Paul Adams are almost always described as 'coloured' or 'Cape coloured' cricketers, while Makhaya Ntini is a 'black' or 'African' cricketer.

Parents of Makhaya Ntini[edit]

People who gave birth to Makhaya Ntini 41.116.187.19 (talk) 18:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Weaver-1] Weaver, Paul (10 December 2009). "Search for successors intensifies as Makhaya Ntini reaches milestone". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 2 January 2022. As South Africa's first black Test player reaches 100 caps, the pressure is on to replace him

[England-2] England, Andrew (24 July 2015). "Fast bowling with Makhaya Ntini". Financial Times. Archived from the original on 2 January 2022. Taking a bowling lesson from Ntini, South Africa's third-highest Test wicket-taker of all time and the first black African to play the sport at Test level for his country, ...

[Moonda-3] Moonda, Firdose (9 January 2011). "Ntini was more than a cricketer". ESPNcricinfo. Archived from the original on 2 January 2022. He represented something far more special, partly because he was the first black African cricketer to play for South Africa and partly because he bore the responsibility that came with that with such dignity and grace that South Africans of all colour embraced him.

[Gemmell-4] Gemmell, Jon (2004). The Politics of South African Cricket. Routledge. p. 209. ISBN 978-0-7146-5346-4. The coloured left-arm spinner Paul Adams ...

[Fraser-5] Fraser, David (2005). Cricket and the Law: The Man in White is Always Right. Routledge. p. 322. ISBN 978-0-7146-5347-1. Indeed, the divide between 'white' and 'non-white' in selection criteria also hides the persistence of apartheid-era discourse in South African society and in descriptions of South African cricket. Herschelle Gibbs and Paul Adams are almost always described as 'coloured' or 'Cape coloured' cricketers, while Makhaya Ntini is a 'black' or 'African' cricketer.

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